Offshore schools may lose federal loans

[fammed2002]

Hello,
The amount of money given to us citizens to attend school abroad is
small compared to other things that the fed. govt wastes money on.
The people who finish and do well provide lots of primary care doctors
to many states where they are vital to the community. 9 Billion dollars
atleast are not accounted for in Iraq by this same govt. Many of the
people who went to school in the West Indies could have easily
gotten into osteopathic schools but wanted the allopathic degree.
Read my entry in the Physician assistant section of the forum
and you will see that extenders are waiting to step into the role of
being primary doctors. The fed govt should help us citizens study medicine
abroad because when they finish their education what is more vital to
a community then having a doctor available to treat the sick and
promote health. Read the AMA news and other journals; the ped, fam med
int med doctors studying from the West Indies are vital because many
US students dont want primary care jobs because of lifestyle and money issues.

regards,
fammed2002

[PaulyG_Pre-MD]

Does this also appy for AUG.

[fammed2002]

Hello,

Few things in the last statement are false.

1) "Low quality students". A significant portion of students in the
west indies are better then a majority of the students in the
osteopathic schools. There are students there with strong credentials
but could not get an allopathic seat.

2) They should qualify for federal loans ; they are mostly us citizens
seeking graduate medical education. From the combined pool of
the west indies there are thousands of doctors practicing in the
usa.

3) From a recent article it clearly stated that IMGS are more likely
then US grads to see medicaid and medicare patients. These
are the complicated patients that take more effort.

4) The schools in the west indies are serving a purpose; it is an
option for people and life is better with more choices.

regards,
fammed2002

[rokshana]

Originally Posted by jtu

Offshore medical schools may loose federal loan?--LOL!!!!
How many are having the federal loan facility?
Most of the offshore medical school authorities are interested in the pocket of the students and on their study loan.They are not concerned about the quality of the students and the teaching facilities.They recruit mostly low quality students to make money from their study loan.This vicious cycle must be stopped and some dedicated school should get the opportunity to grow.
Caribbean accreditation committee is getting ready to put a strict guide line and screening procedure to monitor offshore medical school facilities and standard of teaching and training facilities.They recruit anybody and everybody calling them for a seat.
Many of such fake schools are closing down one after another.Students should get the correct informations.
Netherlands Antilian Goverment has the plan to form a supervisory committee to monitor those medical schools operating in these islands.
So,it is the right time to get prepared or get lost.
There is a strong rumour going arround that a highly experienced and skilled group of professionals, is on the way from USA to establish a very high standard medical school in Curacao Netherlands Antillies.
Watchout--and search for more details and cross your fingers to see some school is coming up to beat the monsters in the Caribbean.Best wishes.

point is moot- the schools that receive federal stafford loans were granfathered in- NO new school are eligible to get stafford loans if < 60% of the student pop are domiciled students. The only schools currently eligible are (as far as I know) are SGU, AUC and Ross, (spartan was i think, but lost them) - all well established schools with good facilities (all owned by the respective schools). These schools, generally have students who were close to the gpa/mcat requirements of US schools(and some, if they had been from different states, would have gotten into a state school) so are not necessarily low quality.

and as far as i know this bill wasn't passed, so losing them isn't an issue at the moment.

[Genossa maximillian]

...." The fed govt should help us citizens study medicine
abroad because when they finish their education what is more vital to
a community then having a doctor available to treat the sick and
promote health."

On the same token it can be argued that the federal government can help US citizens study medicine in the US by funding the creation of more medical schools in US soil, therefore stimulating local economies and creating more jobs in the US. Why send the money elsewhere? Yes, I know, medical education is not a function of the federal government, but just to contrast your argument a little bit.

The issue is moot anyway.

Originally Posted by fammed2002

Hello,
The amount of money given to us citizens to attend school abroad is
small compared to other things that the fed. govt wastes money on.
The people who finish and do well provide lots of primary care doctors
to many states where they are vital to the community. 9 Billion dollars
atleast are not accounted for in Iraq by this same govt. Many of the
people who went to school in the West Indies could have easily
gotten into osteopathic schools but wanted the allopathic degree.
Read my entry in the Physician assistant section of the forum
and you will see that extenders are waiting to step into the role of
being primary doctors. The fed govt should help us citizens study medicine
abroad because when they finish their education what is more vital to
a community then having a doctor available to treat the sick and
promote health. Read the AMA news and other journals; the ped, fam med
int med doctors studying from the West Indies are vital because many
US students dont want primary care jobs because of lifestyle and money issues.

regards,
fammed2002

[options]

Originally Posted by jtu

Offshore medical schools may loose federal loan?--LOL!!!!
How many are having the federal loan facility?
Most of the offshore medical school authorities are interested in the pocket of the students and on their study loan.They are not concerned about the quality of the students and the teaching facilities.They recruit mostly low quality students to make money from their study loan.This vicious cycle must be stopped and some dedicated school should get the opportunity to grow.
Caribbean accreditation committee is getting ready to put a strict guide line and screening procedure to monitor offshore medical school facilities and standard of teaching and training facilities.They recruit anybody and everybody calling them for a seat.
Many of such fake schools are closing down one after another.Students should get the correct informations.
Netherlands Antilian Goverment has the plan to form a supervisory committee to monitor those medical schools operating in these islands.
So,it is the right time to get prepared or get lost.
There is a strong rumour going arround that a highly experienced and skilled group of professionals, is on the way from USA to establish a very high standard medical school in Curacao Netherlands Antillies.
Watchout--and search for more details and cross your fingers to see some school is coming up to beat the monsters in the Caribbean.Best wishes.

Do you hear or see things that other people can't hear or see?

[jackbnimble]

[quote=fammed2002;572628]1) "Low quality students". A significant portion of students in the west indies are better then a majority of the students in the osteopathic schools. There are students there with strong credentials but could not get an

[rokshana]

Originally Posted by jackbnimble

One of the first rules of debating....if you can't win on the merit of your argument--re-frame the discussion. Students at offshore schools are NOT getting DOs. Therefore, comparing them to osteopathic students is a strawman argument. "... could not get an allopathic seat." Yes, I think that was the OPs point, which you ably advanced.

Sincerely,

Jackb

you should know better than to make and absolute statement like this- just one offshore student (say, ME) who chose an offshore MD over US DO disproves your arguement. You can say, many or even most offshore students do not get an osteopathic seat, but many don't even try- many of whom would have received an acceptance (based on avg GPA and MCAT score of said US DO schools) at a DO school, or do get acceptance and in the end decide to persue the MD path in the caribbean.

[jackbnimble]

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[LaCatin]

these arguments are missing one small point....the shorter study cycle of the off-shore schools. Time is money, and for some of us, the time saved is priceless. When I found out that I could save nearly a year, I stopped lookin at US schools.