German Medical Schools

[heineken7232]

Canadian, recent high school graduate, excellent science marks, profficient in German language, med-related volunteer experience, - I`m looking into the possibility of pursuing my medical degree from a German university.

Any info regarding the admission procedure or any personal experiences from present students or graduates would be highly appreciated.

Thanks

[blueeyes]

Originally Posted by heineken7232

Canadian, recent high school graduate, excellent science marks, profficient in German language, med-related volunteer experience, - I`m looking into the possibility of pursuing my medical degree from a German university.

Any info regarding the admission procedure or any personal experiences from present students or graduates would be highly appreciated.

Thanks

You won't be able to study Medicine in Germany with just a North American high school diploma. One option would be to study for two years in a North American university and then apply. Another would be to go to Germany and study for an Abitur (diploma granting access to university studies). There's a Numerus Clausus for Medicine so you would need to do well to be allowed into Medicine but it sounds like that might not be a problem. A third option would be to apply to do a Studienkolleg (one year preparatory course) in Germany and then write the Feststellungsprüfung (assessment test). If you do well enough on the Feststellungsprüfung you will be allowed to study Medicine. (Of the three, I'd recommend the third option.)

You might want to check out the following site:

http://www.medknowledge.de/germany/s...ne_germany.htm

Also, you will need to take a German test like the TestDaF prior to applying.

http://www.testdaf.de/

BTW, do you have German (or any EU) citizenship? If so, that will be a huge help later on if you choose to do post-graduate training in Europe.

Good luck.

[heineken7232]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

You won't be able to study Medicine in Germany with just a North American high school diploma. One option would be to study for two years in a North American university and then apply. Another would be to go to Germany and study for an Abitur (diploma granting access to university studies). There's a Numerus Clausus for Medicine so you would need to do well to be allowed into Medicine but it sounds like that might not be a problem. A third option would be to apply to do a Studienkolleg (one year preparatory course) in Germany and then write the Feststellungsprüfung (assessment test). If you do well enough on the Feststellungsprüfung you will be allowed to study Medicine. (Of the three, I'd recommend the third option.)

You might want to check out the following site:

http://www.medknowledge.de/germany/s...ne_germany.htm

Also, you will need to take a German test like the TestDaF prior to applying.

http://www.testdaf.de/

BTW, do you have German (or any EU) citizenship? If so, that will be a huge help later on if you choose to do post-graduate training in Europe.

Good luck.

Thank you for your quick and well put-together reply.

I understand that the North American High School Diploma is not recognized to be equivalent to the German one. Is there an official website where I can find a statement about this?

You seem to be very familiar with the admission procedure to German Medical Schools, perhaps you can give me some hints about the following:

Feststellungsprüfung - can I write it without first going for a year to a Studiumkolleg? If I do well on it, could I apply directly for admission?

I already have a German Profficiency Diploma, which can be used for admission purposes.

Thanks again for your help.

[blueeyes]

Originally Posted by heineken7232

Thank you for your quick and well put-together reply.

I understand that the North American High School Diploma is not recognized to be equivalent to the German one. Is there an official website where I can find a statement about this?

You seem to be very familiar with the admission procedure to German Medical Schools, perhaps you can give me some hints about the following:

Feststellungsprüfung - can I write it without first going for a year to a Studiumkolleg? If I do well on it, could I apply directly for admission?

I already have a German Profficiency Diploma, which can be used for admission purposes.

Thanks again for your help.

According to the Freie Universität Berlin, you can try the Feststellungsprüfung without first having gone to a Studienkolleg.

http://www.fu-berlin.de/studium/komp...ment-exam.html


For the most up to date info on German requirements for students from different countries check out the DAAD site:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/zulas.../04646.en.html

(Note that DAAD seems unaware that the extra year in Ontario high schools has been discontinued. If you're from Ontario, you might not want to correct them on this point.)

Cheers.

[heineken7232]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

According to the Freie Universität Berlin, you can try the Feststellungsprüfung without first having gone to a Studienkolleg.

http://www.fu-berlin.de/studium/komp...ment-exam.html


For the most up to date info on German requirements for students from different countries check out the DAAD site:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/zulas.../04646.en.html

(Note that DAAD seems unaware that the extra year in Ontario high schools has been discontinued. If you're from Ontario, you might not want to correct them on this point.)

Cheers.

Thanks for your answer.

According to DAAD:

"Applicants holding a secondary school leaving certificate from Ontario will only be required to take the assessment test under certain conditions, namely if the minimum requirements for direct admission to higher education study have not been fulfilled."

I think things start to get quite subjective here, so I think the best way to go is to contact the international offices of the universities of my choice directly and explain them my particular situation.

Thinking ahead-- assuming I finnish my medical degree in Germany- would I be eligible to apply for post-graduate training (ie residency) in Ger? Or would I have to leave Germany like any other international student? (Assuming I`m not a EU citizen). The US, UK, Switzerland(hehe) and Austria would be my other options.(Of course, things can get a lil bit sub-blue because of citizenship issues). Unfortunately, i`m perfectly aware that there wouldn`t be any chance of returning to Canada as an IMG due to the restrictions.

If you have any other ideas or helpful info, please feel free to post it.

[heineken7232]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

According to the Freie Universität Berlin, you can try the Feststellungsprüfung without first having gone to a Studienkolleg.

http://www.fu-berlin.de/studium/komp...ment-exam.html


For the most up to date info on German requirements for students from different countries check out the DAAD site:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/zulas.../04646.en.html

(Note that DAAD seems unaware that the extra year in Ontario high schools has been discontinued. If you're from Ontario, you might not want to correct them on this point.)

Cheers.

Thanks for your answer.

According to DAAD:

"Applicants holding a secondary school leaving certificate from Ontario will only be required to take the assessment test under certain conditions, namely if the minimum requirements for direct admission to higher education study have not been fulfilled."

I think things start to get quite subjective here, so I think the best way to go is to contact the international offices of the universities of my choice directly and explain them my particular situation.

Thinking ahead-- assuming I finnish my medical degree in Germany- would I be eligible to apply for post-graduate training (ie residency) in Ger? Or would I have to leave Germany like any other international student? (Assuming I`m not a EU citizen). The US, UK, Switzerland(hehe) and Austria would be my other options.(Of course, things can get a lil bit sub-blue because of citizenship issues). Unfortunately, i`m perfectly aware that there wouldn`t be any chance of returning to Canada as an IMG due to the restrictions.

If you have any other ideas or helpful info, please feel free to post it.

[heineken7232]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

According to the Freie Universität Berlin, you can try the Feststellungsprüfung without first having gone to a Studienkolleg.

http://www.fu-berlin.de/studium/komp...ment-exam.html


For the most up to date info on German requirements for students from different countries check out the DAAD site:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/zulas.../04646.en.html

(Note that DAAD seems unaware that the extra year in Ontario high schools has been discontinued. If you're from Ontario, you might not want to correct them on this point.)

Cheers.

Thanks for your answer.

According to DAAD:

"Applicants holding a secondary school leaving certificate from Ontario will only be required to take the assessment test under certain conditions, namely if the minimum requirements for direct admission to higher education study have not been fulfilled."

I think things start to get quite subjective here, so I think the best way to go is to contact the international offices of the universities of my choice directly and explain them my particular situation.

Thinking ahead-- assuming I finnish my medical degree in Germany- would I be eligible to apply for post-graduate training (ie residency) in Ger? Or would I have to leave Germany like any other international student? (Assuming I`m not a EU citizen). The US, UK, Switzerland(hehe) and Austria would be my other options.(Of course, things can get a lil bit sub-blue because of citizenship issues). Unfortunately, i`m perfectly aware that there wouldn`t be any chance of returning to Canada as an IMG due to the restrictions.

If you have any other ideas or helpful info, please feel free to post it.

[heineken7232]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

According to the Freie Universität Berlin, you can try the Feststellungsprüfung without first having gone to a Studienkolleg.

http://www.fu-berlin.de/studium/komp...ment-exam.html


For the most up to date info on German requirements for students from different countries check out the DAAD site:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/zulas.../04646.en.html

(Note that DAAD seems unaware that the extra year in Ontario high schools has been discontinued. If you're from Ontario, you might not want to correct them on this point.)

Cheers.

Thanks for your answer.

According to DAAD:

"Applicants holding a secondary school leaving certificate from Ontario will only be required to take the assessment test under certain conditions, namely if the minimum requirements for direct admission to higher education study have not been fulfilled."

I think things start to get quite subjective here, so I think the best way to go is to contact the international offices of the universities of my choice directly and explain them my particular situation.

Thinking ahead-- assuming I finnish my medical degree in Germany- would I be eligible to apply for post-graduate training (ie residency) (in Ger)? Or would I have to leave Germany like any other international student? (Assuming I`m not a EU citizen). The US, UK, Switzerland(hehe) and Austria would be my other options.(Of course, things can get a lil bit sub-blue because of citizenship issues). Unfortunately, i`m perfectly aware that there wouldn`t be any chance of returning to Canada as an IMG due to the restrictions.

If you have any other ideas or helpful info, please feel free to post.

[heineken7232]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

According to the Freie Universität Berlin, you can try the Feststellungsprüfung without first having gone to a Studienkolleg.

http://www.fu-berlin.de/studium/komp...ment-exam.html


For the most up to date info on German requirements for students from different countries check out the DAAD site:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/zulas.../04646.en.html

(Note that DAAD seems unaware that the extra year in Ontario high schools has been discontinued. If you're from Ontario, you might not want to correct them on this point.)

Cheers.

Thanks for your answer.

According to DAAD:

"Applicants holding a secondary school leaving certificate from Ontario will only be required to take the assessment test under certain conditions, namely if the minimum requirements for direct admission to higher education study have not been fulfilled."

I think things start to get quite subjective here, so I think the best way to go is to contact the international offices of the universities of my choice directly and explain them my particular situation.

Thinking ahead-- assuming I finnish my medical degree in Germany- would I be eligible to apply for post-graduate training (ie residency) in Ger? Or would I have to leave Germany like any other international student? (Assuming I`m not a EU citizen). The US, UK, Switzerland(hehe) and Austria would be my other options.(Of course, things can get a lil bit sub-blue because of citizenship issues). Unfortunately, i`m perfectly aware that there wouldn`t be any chance of returning to Canada as an IMG due to the restrictions.

If you have any other ideas or helpful info, please feel free to post.

[blueeyes]

Originally Posted by heineken7232

Thanks for your answer.

According to DAAD:

"Applicants holding a secondary school leaving certificate from Ontario will only be required to take the assessment test under certain conditions, namely if the minimum requirements for direct admission to higher education study have not been fulfilled."

I think things start to get quite subjective here, so I think the best way to go is to contact the international offices of the universities of my choice directly and explain them my particular situation.

Thinking ahead-- assuming I finnish my medical degree in Germany- would I be eligible to apply for post-graduate training (ie residency) in Ger? Or would I have to leave Germany like any other international student? (Assuming I`m not a EU citizen). The US, UK, Switzerland(hehe) and Austria would be my other options.(Of course, things can get a lil bit sub-blue because of citizenship issues). Unfortunately, i`m perfectly aware that there wouldn`t be any chance of returning to Canada as an IMG due to the restrictions.

If you have any other ideas or helpful info, please feel free to post.

All I can offer you is second hand information; but from what I hear it's tough to do postgrad training in Germany without EU (or Norwegian or Swiss) citizenship. And Switzerland's probably even tougher to do postgrad training in than Germany. (Doing medical postgrad in Switzerland can be a bit tricky even with a French or German degree and is--at least for now--not even allowed for degrees from the new EU member states.)

You'd probably have a much better shot at postgrad training in the UK or possibly France. It all comes down to how tough it would be to get a work visa (very tough for Germany). (It's also easier to become a citizen in the UK and France and then you could go ahead and practice wherever you wanted in the EU.)

The German degree itself would be well received anywhere in Europe. (It certainly is in the UK and France.)

As for bypassing the Feststellungsprüfung, I hope they let you...but don't be disappointed if they don't. Remember that many of the foreign students vying with you for direct access to a German med school have picked a German school not as a backup to one of their native schools but as their first choice. (i.e. these students will have very good grades too...so even if you've fulfilled all the minimum requirements, I have a feeling that you'll be asked to sit the Feststellungsprüfung simply because you're applying to Medicine.)

If you are asked to take the Feststellungsprüfung, go for it. It sounds like you have a good shot at getting in.

BTW, did you by any chance go to TFS or UTS? If you did, and you aced your Science courses there, then the Feststellungsprüfung might be a walk in the park. :-)

Cheers