UHSA students

[crunch]

Many times people here have enquired about anyone who has been licensed after completing the advanced standing program through UHSA (I hesitate to say "online" since only about 10-15% of the program is online - all the basic sciences except3 classes are done in classrooms for everyone - although there is some credit given for advanced standing. As well, the rest of the online portion only augments the 4,400 clinical hands-on hours that have to be one in ACGME hospitals).

http://www.mlive.com/business/fljour...5046326130.xml

You will see a graduate of advanced standing who is now vice president and cheif medical officer of a United States hospital.

I give Azseptic 12 hours before he is writing the state board there, telling them his fabrications about how it is a fraudulant degree, it was an "online " correspondance type course, how UHSA grads cannot get licensed in Antigua, blah blah blah blah lie.

AZ - how much do these other off-shore schools pay to have you make these things up?

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by crunch

Many times people here have enquired about anyone who has been licensed after completing the advanced standing program through UHSA (I hesitate to say "online" since only about 10-15% of the program is online - all the basic sciences except3 classes are done in classrooms for everyone - although there is some credit given for advanced standing. As well, the rest of the online portion only augments the 4,400 clinical hands-on hours that have to be one in ACGME hospitals).

http://www.mlive.com/business/fljour...5046326130.xml

You will see a graduate of advanced standing who is now vice president and cheif medical officer of a United States hospital.

I give Azseptic 12 hours before he is writing the state board there, telling them his fabrications about how it is a fraudulant degree, it was an "online " correspondance type course, how UHSA grads cannot get licensed in Antigua, blah blah blah blah lie.

AZ - how much do these other off-shore schools pay to have you make these things up?

The graduate is licensed as a DO,not an MD....but you knew that,eh?

No one has paid me anything about Antigua. Who pays you?

[crunch]

Well, you don't know that since you have not had time to check out how he was licensed so you are stating your assumption.

Whether or not he is licensed as an MD, the hospital no doubt did a thorough check on him and felt impressed enough with his credentials to do this news release.

My patients pay me. For example last week I spent 38 hours in the hospital performing rotations for medical school (UHSA) and 27 hours in my chiropractic office treating patients. Which will explain why I will probbly not post on here again until the weekend or later - I am busy. I do things other than piddle on the computer all day. I have a family which I support (been married for over 15 years - first and only marraige - no ugly marraige failures in my past), plus I usually put in around 40 hours per week on my medical training.

[lswiltshire]

For the real truth about UHSA licensure
[Please go to

http://www.network54.com/Forum/messa...eid=1051331820

and
http://www.network54.com/Forum/messa...eid=1052494868 for additional original text]

for dentist defends his offshore degree from UHSA go to
http://pitch.com/issues/2004-06-17/stline.html

http://www.network54.com/Forum/messa...eid=1087421269

Many folk besides Azskeptic have gone thru the horrors of divorce.

If you are lucky to be married as long as you have godown and thank God.

Divorce does not mean that one is a failure- only that ones marriage has failed. Perhaps Azskeptics second marriage is better for him, and he is truly happy this time.

But his failed marriage, and his penchant for piddling at the computer has nothing to do with the quality of medical education at UHSA. or the truths about what the boards think about UHSA.

It is unfortunate that so many of you short cut takers who have not been licensed would not come and tell the truth about your post UHSA experience.

Thanks for giving another name that we can be revealed to the authorities to have them know that they can not use their UHSA degree

[Picard]

Another half-truth by UHSA. Here's how the good doctor is licensed. He is licensed as a DO from Kirksville COM -- the very first Osteopathic medical school in the US. Father/founder of Osteopathy Dr. A.T. Still is buried on campus. I know because I've seen their campus. And it's a great osteopathic school.
Here's the link to Michigan's licensure verification system.

http://www.cis.state.mi.us/free/publ...0&offset=0

Without a DO degree to be licensed, the guy would NOT be able to do what he does now, no matter how "impressive" his UHSA MD degree is. His MD degree means absolutely nothing in his licensure. It's sad that UHSA students are trying to claim this as a "success" story in licensure for it's advanced standing program. His MD degree is worthless.

BTW, Botsford General Hospital is an OSTEOPATHIC teaching hospital for the Michigan state Univ of Osteopathic Medicine where Dr. Bonbrisco is on faculty.
http://www.botsfordsystem.org/corp/bgh.htm
You really think that an osteopathic medical school is "impressed" with his worthless MD degree from UHSA? I'm sure they are much more impressed that Dr. Bonbrisco went to one of the best Osteopathic schools in the country. And look at how Dr. Bonbrisco is listed in his medical group -- he doesn't even list his UHSA degree...
http://www.mclaren.org/body.cfm?id=107
http://www.yourowndoctor.com/aboutus...&doc=10080

McLaren Flushing Community Medical Center - Flushing
2487 N. Elms Rd.
Flushing, MI 48433
(810) 487-3500

Daniel Bonbrisco, D.O. (Family Practice)
Abeer Fayyad, M.D. (Internal Medicine)
Brenda Rogers-Gray, D.O. (Family Practice)
Mark Gunderson, M.D. (Family Practice)
Jennifer Larson, M.D. (Family Practice)
Dennis Lloyd, D.O. (Family Practice)
Angie Sweeney, M.D. (Family Practice)
Louinda Zahdeh, M.D. (Family Practice)

Yeah, another poor attempt by UHSA to mislead others.

Well, you don't know that since you have not had time to check out how he was licensed so you are stating your assumption.

And BTW, it only took me 3 minutes to find the above info. I guess they don't teach evidence-based practice either in the chiropractic school or at UHSA...

P

[Picard]

For example last week I spent 38 hours in the hospital performing rotations for medical school (UHSA) and 27 hours in my chiropractic office treating patients. Which will explain why I will probbly not post on here again until the weekend or later - I am busy.

Let see, outside employments are generally prohibited by US schools while on rotation -- for a good reason.

Typical medical student spend about 60 hours in the hospital per week while on rotation, more when on core rotations with call. How do I know? I went through medical school, and I now teach medical students (US, foreign, and DO students) as an attending physician. And since I'm assuming you are not practicing chiropractics at 2 a.m., I'm assuming you are working as a chiropractor during the daytime when you should be in the hospital learning....

Oh, and the "advanced standing" program at UHSA reportedly awards it's MD degree in 18 months -- 1.5 years, INCLUDING it's crash course in basic science. A real clinical training in a real medical school takes two years by iteslf. So, how does the advanced standing program provide equivalent clinical training again?

And this guy claims that there are 4400 clinical hours that need to be accomplished. Well, he does 38 hours a week (let's give them 40). This would take 110 weeks to complete without vacation -- 2.1 years. Now, how does an advanced standing student earn his/her degree in 18 months and fulfill the above requirement... we haven't counted the basic scinece time supposedly took place yet. Let's say that the basic science takes place in the first 6 months... that leaves one year to finish this suppose 4400 hour clinicals -- that would mean working 85 hours per week without break for the entire year (which is logistically impossible in any teaching hospital) -- umm, this good chiropractor only spends 38 hours and had time to work as a DC in between... I guess the laws of physics and linear time does not apply to UHSA students...

P

[lswiltshire]

MUNCH MUNCH

Picard has eaten crunch for lunch!

I have a hunch

the LIAR is CRUNCH!


Picard, you didnt have to hit he so hard though.......WOW

You mash he up with that argument. I love it.

[crunch]

The 18 month time period is something that was made up in the article that was quoted by AZseptic regarding the overland park dentist. Nobody can finish the program in 18 months. Your math is right, it would take over 2 years to finish the clinical requirements if doing 40 hours per week. And since I had to take basic sciences through the school, it will definately have taken me more than 2 years.

The 18 months is what is stated by the newspaper article, not me

[Picard]

NO, the 18 months timeframe is from IUHS"s website, for "OMFS trained" DENTISTS. Look at it yourself. In your case, your DC training put you in their 27 months curriculum... rather than re-post what I've said in another thread, here's the quote from my posts...

First of all, AMA does not regulate medical school rotations. Each individual state licensing boards do. Residencies are regulated by RRC (Residency Review Committe), a part of ACGME.

Unless the OMFS resident is going through the combined OMFS/MD program in a few places that still offer them, they do not get credit for their residency trainings when they go back to medical school. Why? Because these Combined OMFS/MD residencies are designed to provide medical school education to dentists, so they are properly accredited. Normal OMFS residency for dentist (only 4 years long) do NOT prepare the dentist in medical school trainings. This is why they do not count. I trained in a hospital with stand-alone OMFS residency training and had worked with OMFS resident dentists. They do NOT get any significant amount of clinical training outside of their OMFS surgical training. They virtually spend their entire residency in the operating room working on a VERY, VERY limited territory -- OMFS. They don't even get any significant training in general surgery, let along any other medical specialties. And when they do, very rarely, rotate through other services, they are treated as an observer most of the time because they simply do not have enough background in medicine to function in any other specialty. I know because I have worked with these residents. So it is still very, very, very, very OBSURD for IUHS to grant ANY sort of clinical rotation credit for these OMFS trained DENTIST for the purpose of medical school training. This is partly why none of these DENTIST are eligible for licensure in any state as MD's. So, no, it makes absolutely NO sense for these dentist to receive their MD degree in 18 months. Heck, even in combined OMFS/MD programs in the US, the additional time for these OMFS dental residents is 2 to 3 years!! NOT 18 months.

Oh, as for DC's, I looked it up on IUHS's website. The curriculum is 27 months long (regardless of how long it actually takes crunch) -- And, since he is claiming that his clinical training is 2 years long. This means, he went through basic science in 3 months!! Now, name ONE medical school in the US that grant ANY advance credit for chiropractors, let along allow a 3 months basic science curriculum for chiropractors. If you think you will be licensed legitimately (ie without your school playing games on your "transcript" template to make it look otherwise) with only 3 months of basic science claiming DC training -- you are in for a rude awakening... keep up your DC license, it will be the only one you can legally have.

Oh, and one favorite thing IUHS folks love to compare their program to is Drexel University (formerly Hahneman). Well, first of all, Drexel is about the ONLY US school left that still has provisions on the books for dental students/dentists to be admitted with advanced standing. This is NOT a popular thing to do in US medical schools dispite claims from IUHS. Even for Drexel, this practice is EXTREMELY RARE. And most of these dental/dentist students do NOT finish medical schools any sooner than 4 years. A very, very, very, very rare student can finish it in 3. Most of these RARE "advanced standing" candidates merely were allowed to test out a few subjects. How do I know this -- I called Drexel and asked. When I told them that IUHS is claiming to model it's advanced standing program after theirs, they nearly busted out laughing.

So, any way you look at it, IUHS distance learning/advanced standing programs are still just that -- worthless.

P

[azskeptic]

regular medical student

http://www.mommd.com/whattoexpect.shtml

UHSA

http://www.uhsa.ag/pstudent/dc/ntpath.htm

somehow I don't want to wakeup on a gurney with someone who learned via the internet helping.