Nail in the Coffin of Grace Medical School

[bts4202]

Originally Posted by shockandawe

FLK wrote: STICK WITH AN ESTABLISHED SCHOOL. ............or pick another career

Are Saba and SMU established schools?? Because with the new loan crisis, they might be hit hard. Especially SMU... -s&a

Man, this is all you can talk about lately. You sure are hoping SMU and Saba fold so Spartan has less competition aren't you?

[neilc]

Originally Posted by bts4202

Man, this is all you can talk about lately. You sure are hoping SMU and Saba fold so Spartan has less competition aren't you?

amen, brother bts. as difficult as this is for me to say, i am on your side on this one

[azskeptic]

I hope to be able to meet with some of the 'Grace" students in London. There are apparently 50 of them in London sitting there without a charter perhaps wondering how they will ever get licensed since their school isn't able to do anything for them.

I'm going to be in London January 25-31,2005 at the Park International Hotel
117-125 Cromwell Road
South Kensington London London SW7 4DS UK
Tel: 44+207-370-5711 • Fax: 44+207-244-9211
inquire for me, Dean Hughson, THE AZSKEPTIC

Shortly I will announce a meeting place for a "Town Hall" meeting with medical students in London.

[shockandawe]

Originally Posted by bts4202

Man, this is all you can talk about lately. You sure are hoping SMU and Saba fold so Spartan has less competition aren't you?

You will not believe me and it is probably not worth it to say this but it isn't true, I could care less about Spartan's competition being destroyed. On the contrary, Spartan needs their competition in order to be forced to get better, especially schools like Saba which acheived CA approval.

The reason why I am so interested in this subject is because I have recently been getting a lot of PM's from people throughout the carib interested in Spartan due to this loan crisis, people who would never have gone there otherwise..

Even before this MedAcheiver loan situation and in spite of the Courant article, Spartan has recently become bigger than ever before, ... The last 2 starting Sept. classes were between 35-45 students, unheard of... The usual starting Sept. Spartan class is 10-15, then the school picks up students from semester to semester, students who could no longer afford their tuitions from other schools or students who flunk out... This is changing. For with these big starting classes the school is acheiving maximum capacity much quicker than ever before. This is a school which can survive with 8-10 students per class. There are none like it.

I foresee two things in the years to come: 1- A mass exodus, 2- The end of many small schools, particularly the newer ones. The only way to counter this will be make their schools more affordable and bring down their tuitions. They will have to stick to the 2,500-3,500$ range. Very difficult. -s&a

[neilc]

you should still stay away from spartan, for reasons that have been beaten to death on this forum. if the ONLY reason folks are considering spartan is for financial...well, that is too bad. i would venture that there are still other far better options, even if you need huge loans to go. SGU, AUC, Ross, SABA, etc...you can find the money through teri, the govt, ross and sgu still have medachiever.

it is a far better idea to assume more debt and attend a place that has a good rate of graduating a high percentage and number of folks that progress to residency and licensure in all the states than it is to spend less money up front for a school that has poor admin by all accounts, and only one or two people that have anything good to say about the school at all.

the lesson from grace should be ATTEND A WELL ESTABLISHED SCHOOL!!! not the cheapest, or the easiest to get into, or anything else. spend the money, go to a place that has a track record, and give yourself the best chance at success with the lowest risk of having factors other than your performance (ie the school shutting down) making it impossible for you to get a license in the states.

value is more important than cost.

[neilc]

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[wolfvgang22]

Ok, swami (shock&awe), which schools do you predict to die off, specifically? Which one's do you think will survive?

[shockandawe]

Originally Posted by wolfvgang22

Ok, swami (shock&awe), which schools do you predict to die off, specifically? Which one's do you think will survive?

History repeats itself. You think that Grace and Kigesi are the only two that went down this last year??? Wrong. Many others went down, schools you never even heard of. Schools rrod never heard of. Not only off-shore carib schools, but off-shore medical schools in Micronesia and beyond..

Historically, the Spartans can do with very little. These are a very special type of very tough and rough warrior-students, most of whom come from the underrepresented... In the Greek-Persian war, only 300 Spartanites beat the crap out of 20,000 Persian soldiers. Unbelievable isn't it?? Look it up. It takes very few Spartans to beat the many.

The same is true today. The Spartan grads are beating the crap out of the so-called "Big 3". For we not only have grads working in Mayo to MD Anderson to Vanderbilt to Harvard and beyond, but also we have the ONLY Stevie Award Winner, the only carib medical school grad that ever was invited by the Nobel prize committee to come to Oslo and help accept the Nobel Prize on behalf of Doctor Without Borders, the multi-million dollar Cardiology talk-show host giving your mom amd pop advice about their health, Physician of the Year in states such as Florida, etc, etc, etc...
-s&a

[wolfvgang22]

OMG

I thought denial was a river in Egypt, Sparty!

I suppose your too busy charging off to kick some Persian *** to speculate....so you dodge the question and go off on a treatise of Spartan greatness. Fair enough, Sparty.

Saba is doable on Teri...St. Eustatius might have to cut back tuition or find additional funding, St. Chris will have some trouble because of the weak value of the dollar's impact on cost of living (not to mention the senegal charter thing), Spartan will keep chuggin along as is, SMU is in the same boat as Statia, except for students who do the masters at St. Joe's to get the staffords.
Then there is always schools like Xavier....they are Teri approved....what's their tuition?

[shockandawe]

Originally Posted by wolfvgang22

OMG

I thought denial was a river in Egypt, Sparty!

I suppose your too busy charging off to kick some Persian gluteal to speculate....so you dodge the question and go off on a treatise of Spartan greatness. Fair enough, Sparty.

Saba is doable on Teri...St. Eustatius might have to cut back tuition or find additional funding, St. Chris will have some trouble because of the weak value of the dollar's impact on cost of living (not to mention the senegal charter thing), Spartan will keep chuggin along as is, SMU is in the same boat as Statia, except for students who do the masters at St. Joe's to get the staffords.
Then there is always schools like Xavier....they are Teri approved....what's their tuition?

In other words, Wolf, many schools will probably go down. There are many many more than what you just mentioned and you already admit that they will have to bring down their tuitions. Even Saba which has a very good tuition in comparison to the rest, will force you to tighten your belt a few notches. It will be very tough, especially going thru med. school and not knowing if you will be able to afford next months rent. There will be many changes, Wolf. -s&a