AMA article on oral surgeons with antigua degrees

[Picard]

Therefore they take double the examinations?


Dental licensure exams AND usmle1,2,3,csa

In essense yes. Most of these US dual degree grads enter OMFS residency training programs as DDS's. So, they are licensed as DDS first.

P

[october]

If you look at the below it is apparent that states cannot uniformly agree on who can do what. The below doctor ia an oral surgeon and MD from UHSA. Looks to contain elements of a turf battle and anticompetition efforts since there is a strong push by MD's in some states to prohibit OMS from doing cosmetic procedures.


Resume
http://www.acoms.org/officers/guttenberg.php

http://www.mouthfacejaw.com/pro/pro_index.html

* Laser Assisted Skin Resurfacing (See Laser Surgery )


* Minimal Incision Endoscopic Surgery


* Brow and Forehead Lifts


* Blepharoplasty (Surgery to Correct Baggy Eyelids)


* Facial Liposuction


* Neck Lifts and Tightening (Platysmaplasty)


* Weekend Facelift


* Botox Injections to Diminish Wrinkles Caused by Hyperactive Muscles


* Fat Transfer Procedure



* Lip Surgery, including:
* Augmentation (to make lips larger), using Alloderm, in which a sterilized, soft tissue is implanted to produce lips with a natural fullness.


* Reduction (to make lips smaller)




* Facial implants to accentuate or replace the chin, cheekbones, mandibular angles. Implants can be customized to augment any area of the face.

[october]

Originally Posted by Picard

US OMFS grads with dual degrees are licensed in both Medicine and Dentistry. In fact, they can give up their Dental License altogether and it wouldn't matter one bit to them. Their MD license would cover anything they do in OMFS.

And, it's unheard of for these US dual degree docs not to be licensed with MD boards -- simple reason -- their OMFS residency counts as "post graduate training" for MD licensure. In fact, most OMFS residencies require a year of preliminary internship in general surgery... so by the time these dual degree grads finish their internships, they are automatically eligible for MD licensure already. All they have to do is turn in the paperwork.

P

If the OMFS residency counts for credit by the medical board then why doesn't the UHSA dual degree person just take the exams and get a medical license?

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by october

If you look at the below it is apparent that states cannot uniformly agree on who can do what. The below doctor ia an oral surgeon and MD from UHSA. Looks to contain elements of a turf battle and anticompetition efforts since there is a strong push by MD's in some states to prohibit OMS from doing cosmetic procedures.


Resume
http://www.acoms.org/officers/guttenberg.php

http://www.mouthfacejaw.com/pro/pro_index.html

* Laser Assisted Skin Resurfacing (See Laser Surgery )


* Minimal Incision Endoscopic Surgery


* Brow and Forehead Lifts


* Blepharoplasty (Surgery to Correct Baggy Eyelids)


* Facial Liposuction


* Neck Lifts and Tightening (Platysmaplasty)


* Weekend Facelift


* Botox Injections to Diminish Wrinkles Caused by Hyperactive Muscles


* Fat Transfer Procedure



* Lip Surgery, including:
* Augmentation (to make lips larger), using Alloderm, in which a sterilized, soft tissue is implanted to produce lips with a natural fullness.


* Reduction (to make lips smaller)




* Facial implants to accentuate or replace the chin, cheekbones, mandibular angles. Implants can be customized to augment any area of the face.

District of Columbia says that he can't list his MD degree without licensing it.

[Picard]

If the OMFS residency counts for credit by the medical board then why doesn't the UHSA dual degree person just take the exams and get a medical license?

It's because no medical boards will license base on post-graduate trainings alone. OMFS residencies are just that, residency. You still need to have a recognized medical degree (MD, MBBS... etc) to be eligible for licensure.
UHSA grads are not licensible as MD's for the same reason that dentists (DDS degree only) who have gone through OMFS residencies cannot be licensed as MD's -- neither one has a recognizible MD degree (UHSA "dual degree" folks and dentists with only DDS degrees).
So, UHSA grads problem is not the OMFS residency, it's the fact they don't have a real/licensible medical degree. So as far as the laws are concerned, they are DDS only.

P

[october]

Can UHSA grads be licensed in any state?

Advanced standing for basic sciences during dental college applied towards an MD degree occurs in US schools so should not be prohibited just because the school is abroad.

Perhaps the UHSA grads should get licensed in a state that allows it and use their MD with a disclaimer that states where they are licensed.

After all, Sanjay Gupta MD clearly represented to be a medical doctor appears in every state on TV yet is clearly not licensed in 50 states.

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by october

Can UHSA grads be licensed in any state?

Advanced standing for basic sciences during dental college applied towards an MD degree occurs in US schools so should not be prohibited just because the school is abroad.

Perhaps the UHSA grads should get licensed in a state that allows it and use their MD with a disclaimer that states where they are licensed.

After all, Sanjay Gupta MD clearly represented to be a medical doctor appears in every state on TV yet is clearly not licensed in 50 states.

Have found only 1 person gaining a permanent license so far but for the oral surgeons it would mean passing USMLE's,etc. and doing a residency since their Oral Surgery residency occurred before their MD degree...doubt any will do it since Oral Surgery is a higher paying profession than FP medicine...interesting question...however, UHSA is still questionable....we'll see what happens......