Caribbean Medical Council Association (CAMC)

[CARICOM-MED]

Re: CAMC (Caribbean Medical Council Association)
Caribbean Association of Medical Councils - Home

One of the ways to combat states delisting CARICOM Medical schools, is to have a unified Council, similar to LCME / MCC / GMC (unlike CAAM-HP) that upon graduation from CARICM Medical school, the MD, will take the 2 step exams, similar to USMLE, PLAB or LMCC.

So far the CAMC is not very active and FEW of the schools (mostly UWI grads) actually take CAMCs Examinations. However, if the CAMCs exams are to ba mandatory, instead of the USMLEs (as in many of the CARICOM schools, I think the picture would be different.) So, far the CMCA is offered only in Jamaica (UWI):
http://www.camcweb.org/uploads/pdf/C...caton_form.pdf

1. Passing the CMCA, will allow CARICOM MDs to practice in the Caribbeans obtain residency in Caribbean hospitals and finally a license.
2. Reciprocity status with USMLE / PLAB / LMCC / GMC

[tenordoc]

I've always thought that having a regional accreditation body, that can demonstrate equivalent standards to the LCME might help increase the reputation of the Carib schools.

It's also always struck me as odd that the big four weren't licences by LCME, but perhaps they've tried...

[RussianJoo]

Re: CAMC (Caribbean Medical Council Association)
Caribbean Association of Medical Councils - Home

One of the ways to combat states delisting CARICOM Medical schools, is to have a unified Council, similar to LCME / MCC / GMC (unlike CAAM-HP) that upon graduation from CARICM Medical school, the MD, will take the 2 step exams, similar to USMLE, PLAB or LMCC.

So far the CAMC is not very active and FEW of the schools (mostly UWI grads) actually take CAMCs Examinations. However, if the CAMCs exams are to ba mandatory, instead of the USMLEs (as in many of the CARICOM schools, I think the picture would be different.) So, far the CMCA is offered only in Jamaica (UWI):
http://www.camcweb.org/uploads/pdf/C...caton_form.pdf

1. Passing the CMCA, will allow CARICOM MDs to practice in the Caribbeans obtain residency in Caribbean hospitals and finally a license.
2. Reciprocity status with USMLE / PLAB / LMCC / GMC

except the fact that 97% of those attending carib schools not in the CARICOM have no interest in practicing in the caribbean, and are US or Canadian citizens. The schools that are part of the CARICOM are the ones that have majority carib citizens as their students and remain in the caribbean for practice, and those schools even though they have been around for much longer in some cases are not as popular because they don't prep you for the USMLE, so carib med school catering to the US/Canadian citizens have no interest in joining the CARICOM and don't want to waste the money needed to join. Makes perfect sense to me.

[azskeptic]

LCME only has US and Canada as its objectives in their charter.

Liaison Committee on Medical Education Home Page

In English speaking islands in Carib. signators of the CARICOM have

CAAM-HP

after the takeover of the Dutch islands all but Curacao will have NVAO as their accrediting agency

NVAO - Nederlands-Vlaamse Accreditatieorganisatie

It should be noted that CAAM above is using LCME staff as part of their evaluations and for training. azskeptic

I've always thought that having a regional accreditation body, that can demonstrate equivalent standards to the LCME might help increase the reputation of the Carib schools.

It's also always struck me as odd that the big four weren't licences by LCME, but perhaps they've tried...

[maximillian genossa]

And that my esteemed colleague, is correct. Some people just don't understand how thsi really works on the bigger scheme.

except the fact that 97% of those attending carib schools not in the CARICOM have no interest in practicing in the caribbean, and are US or Canadian citizens. The schools that are part of the CARICOM are the ones that have majority carib citizens as their students and remain in the caribbean for practice, and those schools even though they have been around for much longer in some cases are not as popular because they don't prep you for the USMLE, so carib med school catering to the US/Canadian citizens have no interest in joining the CARICOM and don't want to waste the money needed to join. Makes perfect sense to me.

[RussianJoo]

And that my esteemed colleague, is correct. Some people just don't understand how thsi really works on the bigger scheme.

what do you mean? do you think that if we all joined a union somehow the US government would respect us more? or the LCME would accredit us? no way. we're IMGs to them and will always be IMGs.

now if we wanted to practice in the caribbean, which might not be a bad thing once you get a little older and closer to retirement then it would have been nice if our schools were part of the caricom, but you can always teach med students without a license so that might be a better option for some extra cash.

[maximillian genossa]

No, I did not explained myself, I agree with carib med school catering to the US/Canadian citizens have no interest in joining the CARICOM and don't want to waste the money needed to join.

what do you mean? do you think that if we all joined a union somehow the US government would respect us more? or the LCME would accredit us? no way. we're IMGs to them and will always be IMGs.

now if we wanted to practice in the caribbean, which might not be a bad thing once you get a little older and closer to retirement then it would have been nice if our schools were part of the caricom, but you can always teach med students without a license so that might be a better option for some extra cash.

[CARICOM-MED]

Re: CACM Examinations for CARICOM MDs

1. I'm wondering if there is a formal reciprocity, between NBME / LMCC vs. CAMC.
As CARICOM MDs require to pass the CAMC exam in order to practice medicine.

2. What about graduates who are NBME / LMCC or ECFMG certified ??

3. Did anyone ever contact CAMC before ?? CAAM-HP is regulating educational standards in CARICOM, however nothing to do with Licensure entrance examinations.

4. Furthermore, will CAAM-HP recommend CARICOM MDs to TAKE the CAMC Examinations ? CACM 1, 2 ??

I've only met 1 MD (ENT), from UWI that passed the CACMs, and is ECFMG certified, but he took both the CACM and USMLEs, so I don't think a reciprocity exist in the US......I know many states will take the LMCC (Canadian Boards as they are part of the LCME.) but not any other medical council.

[maximillian genossa]

Dude, let me put it mildly, CARICOM was created by UWI when the British GMC decided to stop overseeing schools in the West Indies. Their only purpose was to have an accrediting agency in order to protect their grads wishing to pratice in the UK. Anything else is coincidental.

Re: CACM Examinations for CARICOM MDs

1. I'm wondering if there is a formal reciprocity, between NBME / LMCC vs. CAMC.
As CARICOM MDs require to pass the CAMC exam in order to practice medicine.

2. What about graduates who are NBME / LMCC or ECFMG certified ??

3. Did anyone ever contact CAMC before ?? CAAM-HP is regulating educational standards in CARICOM, however nothing to do with Licensure entrance examinations.

4. Furthermore, will CAAM-HP recommend CARICOM MDs to TAKE the CAMC Examinations ? CACM 1, 2 ??

I've only met 1 MD (ENT), from UWI that passed the CACMs, and is ECFMG certified, but he took both the CACM and USMLEs, so I don't think a reciprocity exist in the US......I know many states will take the LMCC (Canadian Boards as they are part of the LCME.) but not any other medical council.

[azskeptic]

Caricom had a bunch of schools come into their area that cater to non residents. Caricom after seeing that some of the schools are questionable had no choice but to begin protecting the regions reputable schools whether for residents or foreigners. Their reputation is at stake

except the fact that 97% of those attending carib schools not in the CARICOM have no interest in practicing in the caribbean, and are US or Canadian citizens. The schools that are part of the CARICOM are the ones that have majority carib citizens as their students and remain in the caribbean for practice, and those schools even though they have been around for much longer in some cases are not as popular because they don't prep you for the USMLE, so carib med school catering to the US/Canadian citizens have no interest in joining the CARICOM and don't want to waste the money needed to join. Makes perfect sense to me.