Caribbean Medical Council Association (CAMC)

[CARICOM-MED]

Re: CAMC (Caribbean Medical Council Association)
Caribbean Association of Medical Councils - Home

One of the ways to combat states delisting CARICOM Medical schools, is to have a unified Council, similar to LCME / MCC / GMC (unlike CAAM-HP) that upon graduation from CARICM Medical school, the MD, will take the 2 step exams, similar to USMLE, PLAB or LMCC.

So far the CAMC is not very active and FEW of the schools (mostly UWI grads) actually take CAMCs Examinations. However, if the CAMCs exams are to ba mandatory, instead of the USMLEs (as in many of the CARICOM schools, I think the picture would be different.) So, far the CMCA is offered only in Jamaica (UWI):
http://www.camcweb.org/uploads/pdf/C...caton_form.pdf

1. Passing the CMCA, will allow CARICOM MDs to practice in the Caribbeans obtain residency in Caribbean hospitals and finally a license.
2. Reciprocity status with USMLE / PLAB / LMCC / GMC

[CARICOM-MED]

CARICOM Should enforce the CACM Exams as a graduation Prereq:

Therefore, more rationale for the CACM Examinations !

If the CACM examinations were enforced, I think it would help with the legitimacy of many of these schools. So far only FEW Schools (such as SGU and AUC) require ECFMG Certification upon graduation. I think CACM Certification is a viable alternative.

American Schools REQUIRE NBME Certification or USMLEs PASS before you can get the MD Degree.

At least that way with CACM and CAAM--HP working together, the credibility of the region would be enhanced.

[tennisball80]

Ok, so what's the steps to get licensed in Caribbean in case you couldn't get into a U.S residency ? Has anyone done that ?

[RussianJoo]

No, I did not explained myself, I agree with carib med school catering to the US/Canadian citizens have no interest in joining the CARICOM and don't want to waste the money needed to join.

oh ok. cool, yeah i thought you were saying they should waste the money and join.

[RussianJoo]

CARICOM Should enforce the CACM Exams as a graduation Prereq:

Therefore, more rationale for the CACM Examinations !

If the CACM examinations were enforced, I think it would help with the legitimacy of many of these schools. So far only FEW Schools (such as SGU and AUC) require ECFMG Certification upon graduation. I think CACM Certification is a viable alternative.

American Schools REQUIRE NBME Certification or USMLEs PASS before you can get the MD Degree.

At least that way with CACM and CAAM--HP working together, the credibility of the region would be enhanced.

actually you can't get ECFMG certified without having graduated a medical school first. so SGU and AUC can't require anything once they issue the diploma you can do whatever you want and don't have to be ECFMG certified. What are they going to do? take their diploma back? As a US Family Physician you should know this! If you want to start a residency (which requires ECFMG certification) then you have to get ECFMG certified. Thus it's impossible for any school to require ECFMG certification upon graduation. lastly all schools that have clinical rotations in the US, which is most of the carib schools catering the US/Canadain citizens requires that you pass step1 before you can do your clinical rotations, it's a rule if you didn't pass you can't do rotations in the US, so all carib schools with US clinical rotations require you to pass Step1 before graduating. Thus that's a requirement for most schools not only US schools! And if you want to match into a residency and start right after graduation you better pass step2 while in med school as well.

Please stop posting false statements.

98% of the people on this forum want to practice in the US or Canada and don't want to practice in the Caribbean. what's the point in wasting money and getting a useless certification if we have no interest in it. it's like saying now that you started at med school X for only another $10,000 and one extra year you can also graduate with a DC degree, most people would say no thanks I am not here to be a chiropractor i want my MD, there's no point in wasting, an extra year and $10,000 on this.

or are you posting these threads for caribbean natives? because they rarely frequent this site and you shouldn't waste your time if you are. And please please please get your fact straight before posting. it's bad enough most people who read these threads are really confused you shouldn't confuse them anymore.

[maximillian genossa]

oh ok. cool, yeah i thought you were saying they should waste the money and join.

No, heck no! It is a waste of money, and prone to corruption as well.

[RussianJoo]

Re: CACM Examinations for CARICOM MDs

1. I'm wondering if there is a formal reciprocity, between NBME / LMCC vs. CAMC.
As CARICOM MDs require to pass the CAMC exam in order to practice medicine.

2. What about graduates who are NBME / LMCC or ECFMG certified ??

3. Did anyone ever contact CAMC before ?? CAAM-HP is regulating educational standards in CARICOM, however nothing to do with Licensure entrance examinations.

4. Furthermore, will CAAM-HP recommend CARICOM MDs to TAKE the CAMC Examinations ? CACM 1, 2 ??

I've only met 1 MD (ENT), from UWI that passed the CACMs, and is ECFMG certified, but he took both the CACM and USMLEs, so I don't think a reciprocity exist in the US......I know many states will take the LMCC (Canadian Boards as they are part of the LCME.) but not any other medical council.

there's no reciprocity between any country and the US. Canada is part of the LCME thus they are considered as not being foreign grads. but everyone else, is a foreign grad and thus needs to prove themselves by Taking the USMLE and doing an ACMGE residency.

Maybe that's wishful thinking I don't know but it will never happen. especially not with the CARICOM.

did you know that in the past there were med schools in the caribbean that simply gave their students MD diploma's without them having to spend the 4 years in med school, and would spend a year or so on a highly intensive USMLE Step1 and 2 course? and those people passed both steps and tried to become licnsed physician. it's tricks like this that give the carib a bad name and thus make US grads poke fun of us, and it's rightfully deserved especially if you're from a lesser known med school.

[RussianJoo]

No, heck no! It is a waste of money, and prone to corruption as well.

lol ok cool.

[maximillian genossa]

"I'm wondering if there is a formal reciprocity, between NBME / LMCC vs. CAMC."

No, and I am almost 100 percent sure there will never be one. Think about it for a second......second over.....if that will be the case LCME would have already made a similar agreement with the British GMC (who have been around longer than CAAM).

Next on line please!

[CARICOM-MED]

USMLE PASS as Requirement for MD graduation:

No I rest corrected, I know what I'm talking about
Please amend your comment, as I'm not posting false info
I've highlighted your "false comments in red"

The MD Degree will NOT be issued unless you are ECFMG Certified !!!
I've discussed this with few MDs that have attended AUC and or SGU.....hence why these schools are more reputable....>90% pass rate and you can't obtain your MD unless you pass your boards !!

Please review, policies made by most US LCME Medical schools and top Caribbean schools like AUC and SGU:

Here is the AUC Example:
http://www.aucmed.edu/clinical/graduation-requirements.html

AUC Graduation Requirements

• Successful completion of all courses in the Basic Medical Sciences curriculum.
• A passing score on the United States Medical Licensing Exam (USMLE) Step 1.*
• A passing score on the USMLE Step 2 CS & CK (effective only for students matriculating in May 2006 or thereafter).*
• PLEASE NOTE: Degrees will be mailed to the graduate once the graduate is academically and financially cleared. Without exception, all above requirements must be met and all clerkship evaluations, case logs and required forms must have been received. Degrees are mailed to all graduates regardless of ceremony participation.

Lastly, PLEASE find me a DC college/university where I can attend for one year and 10,000$ for the DC degree, and I will personally pay you $10,000 ..That's the most rediculous comment I've seen yet
Sure you can get advance standing, but not more than 2 years, and not under 50,000$ in tuition money Chiropractic sciences and clinicals are far different than medicine

Cheers

" actually you can't get ECFMG certified without having graduated a medical school first. so SGU and AUC can't require anything once they issue the diploma you can do whatever you want and don't have to be ECFMG certified. What are they going to do?" take their diploma back? As a US Family Physician you should know this! If you want to start a residency (which requires ECFMG certification) then you have to get ECFMG certified. Thus it's impossible for any school to require ECFMG certification upon graduation.
lastly all schools that have clinical rotations in the US, which is most of the carib schools catering the US/Canadain citizens requires that you pass step1 before you can do your clinical rotations, it's a rule if you didn't pass you can't do rotations in the US, so all carib schools with US clinical rotations require you to pass Step1 before graduating. Thus that's a requirement for most schools not only US schools! And if you want to match into a residency and start right after graduation you better pass step2 while in med school as well.

Please stop posting false statements.

98% of the people on this forum want to practice in the US or Canada and don't want to practice in the Caribbean. what's the point in wasting money and getting a useless certification if we have no interest in it. it's like saying now that you started at med school X for only another $10,000 and one extra year you can also graduate with a DC degree, most people would say no thanks I am not here to be a chiropractor i want my MD, there's no point in wasting, an extra year and $10,000 on this.

or are you posting these threads for caribbean natives? because they rarely frequent this site and you shouldn't waste your time if you are. And please please please get your fact straight before posting. it's bad enough most people who read these threads are really confused you shouldn't confuse them anymore.

[maximillian genossa]

Why don't you ask your school to implement the same policy? I would consider that a LEGITIMATE effort to improve its tarnished reputation. Do you agree?

USMLE PASS as Requirement for MD graduation:

No I rest corrected, I know what I'm talking about
Please amend your comment, as I'm not posting false info
I've highlighted your "false comments in red"

The MD Degree will NOT be issued unless you are ECFMG Certified !!!
I've discussed this with few MDs that have attended AUC and or SGU.....hence why these schools are more reputable....>90% pass rate and you can't obtain your MD unless you pass your boards !!

Please review, policies made by most US LCME Medical schools and top Caribbean schools like AUC and SGU:

Here is the AUC Example:
http://www.aucmed.edu/clinical/graduation-requirements.html

AUC Graduation Requirements

• Successful completion of all courses in the Basic Medical Sciences curriculum.
• A passing score on the United States Medical Licensing Exam (USMLE) Step 1.*
• A passing score on the USMLE Step 2 CS & CK (effective only for students matriculating in May 2006 or thereafter).*
• PLEASE NOTE: Degrees will be mailed to the graduate once the graduate is academically and financially cleared. Without exception, all above requirements must be met and all clerkship evaluations, case logs and required forms must have been received. Degrees are mailed to all graduates regardless of ceremony participation.

Lastly, PLEASE find me a DC college/university where I can attend for one year and 10,000$ for the DC degree, and I will personally pay you $10,000 ..That's the most rediculous comment I've seen yet
Sure you can get advance standing, but not more than 2 years, and not under 50,000$ in tuition money Chiropractic siences and clinicals are far different than medicine

Cheers