University of Health Sciences, Antigua

[Genossa maximillian]

Forgot to mention the agreement with UCB, a private University in Puerto Rico. I do know some of their students do rotations there too. It seems that they have something good going on there. Whatever.

Originally Posted by diogenes

This is another "one time posting" on the subject.
Buried deep inside their bloated website is a Medical program B which appears to allow students significant distance-learning opportunities - contrary to the assertion that " he has now essentially shut it (d. learning) down". Personally, I'm all for quality- assured distance learning in the Basic Sciences, but I find it both sad and derisible that it gets so heavily disguised - a sort of under-the-counter product for favoured customers.
I am also intrigued by his joint degree course with London Metropolitan University, a claimed "affiliate". Nowhere on the latter's website can I find any reference to either the course or UHSA - even in the "Overseas Partners" pages. Has LMU also decided that some things are better not mentioned?

[lswiltshire]

On the valueMD website, many have claimed UHSA graduates cannot get licensed in Antigua. More lies. I have a fax from the ministry of health in Antigua with their requirements for licensure in that country and UHSA meets all the requirements. UHSA graduates can get licensed in the Bahamas as well if they are ECFMG certified. I have photocopies of letters from the Governor general of Antigua, from the Antigua ministry of health, Antigua ministry of education, all verifying the Antiguan governments approval of UHSA. I have a photocopy of the Antiguan governments letter to the World Health Organization back in 1982 signifying the countries approval. I will try and post the pictures, but if not, I think they can be found on the UHSA website.


ECFMG certification does not get anyone licensed anywhere in the Carribean! We used to do the ECFMG as final year students in my day as a mock exam. Some of us who passed it, failed the more stringent UWI exams. When you go into the office of a doctor in the islands who was stupid enough to display his ECFMG certificate, or who would print ECFMG on their letter head, the response was great mirth.

Doctors who are British trained are eligible for licensure only after they have completed a one year internship rotation usually through OBs & Gynae, Surgery, Medicine and Paediatrics. American trained doctors who are board certified are eligible for licensure.

RohudTuffy, please list the names of the UHSA graduates who have been registered to practice in Antigua, Bahamas, or anywhere in the British West Indies. I have seen all the letters that you speak of before. Just show me the certificates of registration of UHSA graduates who have been registered to practice in Antigua, Bahamas, or anywhere in the British West Indies.

I have a cousin in the first class at Ross who was scoffed at when he applied to do internship in Barbados.

Run up and bowl again RohudTuffy, but we do understand the need for your current infomercials Sir

[lswiltshire]

Mr Rohud Tuffy, me thinks that your attempt to counter the truths in the erudite excoriations of UHSA in 2003 are a sorry failure. UHSA could not counter the truth then, nor can it counter it now.

It is noteworthy that your ex VC Dr D has gone on to AUA and is exerting some influence there. It is noteworthy that he was responsible for the only piece of research done at UHSA, and that now AUA has been doing much useful reserach on the island.

It is noteworthy that AUA has come and is a success in its three years or so, and has far surpassed the poor efforts of UHSA in 30!

If a prospective student had a choice, should he not prefer AUA to uhsa?


The University of Health Sciences campus looks good on your video, but everyone there knows that the roofs of those old buildings leak like hell when the rain falls, that UHSA is in a very lonely deserted place far from civilization, and that the dorms can only accommodate no more than about 20 students if so many.

I cannot see how the docking of multi-million dollar yachts at English Harbor, or the beautiful, drive to the school, or the great beaches in Antigua will give anyone a proper education at UHSA.

To say that several native Antiguans come and sign up to be students at UHSA is one of the best lies that I have ever heard. Antiguan would be medical scholars go to England or Scotland or UWI.

I taught the Grenadian student S R. If you were enrolled when she was, there was one Antiguan from NY enrolled, and there certainly were not 500 students. At that time you still had loads of chiropractors present and tuition was $19,000 upfront regardless to your ability. You only had to be able to fog a mirror and write the check. All of this has well documented in a myriad of posts on this and other fora.

And S R chose UHSA over St.Georges because she could not get into St Georges even with political string pulling because, St Georges does not have a program that allows you to come for a one month crash course and go home for two months to work and then return for another months crash course.

There are a lot of lies in your informationals, Sir. It suggests to me, that things are not as good at UHSA as you are projecting. We of course know too, that it must really hurt to see AUA continuing to rise in Antigua. Now they are putting up real dorms and a modern campus in Antigua. Hurray for AUA !! Hurray for medical educators that does things correctly! Such schools do RISE.

Re The school is very successful - measuring success as graduates who pass boards, get into residency, get licensed and make the school financially solvent.

POST A LIST OF SUCH GRADUATES POST 1995 SIR. I challenge you. You know of course that many students that were enrolled with you in SR’s time left and went to real medical schools. I detected the names of some of those students in the Saba alumni. And we can easily dig up the letter from the head of the student body on this forum when he could not get his transcripts etc. He said a mouthfull then didnt he?

Re “Dr.A” single-handedly set up a Caribbean school almost 3 decades ago, which is still running. “Dr.A” successfully was a pioneer in Caribbean medical schools in 1982.

UHSA is probably still running, but if it was as successful as you are saying we wont have awoken to your six post infomercial today would we? Ah lie?

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THIS WIZARD”S SCHOOL THAT STARTED AT AROUND THE TIME AS ROSS AND SGU IS NOT ON THE LIPS OF POTENTIAL MEDICAL STUDENTS OR IN THE SO CALED TOP 4 OF CARIBBEAN OFFSHORE SCHOOLS..

RohudTuffy we really enjoyed your infomercials, and wonder why it is that if UHSA is so solvent that it cannot advertise on VMD like the other schools. We understand too that with so many schools opening in the last six years, that the competition for UHSA has been particularly great. We understand too that azskeptic’s website forced . “Dr.A” to essentially shut down his internet medical learning.

RohudTuffy This is an ninteresting post aint it?
[Please go to http://www.network54.com/Forum/messa...eid=1051331820 and http://www.network54.com/Forum/messa...eid=1052494868 for additional original text]

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Look at the time of posting of all the 6 posts by RoHudTuffy. They're all about a minute or two apart.

Looks like an infomercial written ahead of time, edited, then cut and paste.


I would say RoHudTuffy == 'shill'. No doubt about it.


on edit: besides, how would the poster 'know' so much if he was a student?

[DOCplucinski]

it's funny...i've been in Antigua now for almost a year and i've never seen UHSA. i haven't particularly looked for it but i know my way around very well and Antigua isn't that big. i have seen some signs though, very old and look like they been there for years but other than that nothing. i've also yet to have met a student...and i don't really go out to the clubs that much but there's only a few clubs that are worth going as a tourist or student.

anyway, one of these days, i'm going to have to go out on a mission and find this place once and for all.

[lswiltshire]

it's funny...i've been in Antigua now for almost a year and i've never seen UHSA. i haven't particularly looked for it but i know my way around very well and Antigua isn't that big. i have seen some signs though, very old and look like they been there for years but other than that nothing. i've also yet to have met a student...and i don't really go out to the clubs that much but there's only a few clubs that are worth going as a tourist or student.

Doc
If you go to Shirley's Heights and look around you will see UHSA down below on the side opposite to that when you are looking towards the beautiful vista of Nelson's Dockyard. Its perhaps the most desolate and isolated area of the island. There it was that the HIgh Altitude Research Project was carried out in the 6o's. The buildings were abandoned. The older Bird leased the area with the abandoned buildings to the "chairman" as he is called. They like to talk about 50 acres, but most of it is in a prickly bush that typically grows in lands that are abandoned for years after being involved in sugar cane production.

Yes you will see a big old sign in St John's and another on the way to the school.

You might not have met students, because they dont spend much time on the island. They come to the island and live in nice houses around a beach resort area not that far away, and leave after their crash courses, to return to their jobs. I think its St James Beach Club - cant remember for sure- but its a nice place. Some of the students used to go there on Sundaty evenings for "high tea."

[lswiltshire]

UHSA is of the main road also. You have to drive over a mile before you come to a pole across the road like if you are at a military camp, then you drive another mile or so as shown on the video to the old HARP buildings.

UHSA has the only library that I know that has no librarian, as the old books in it have no interests to students, and can only be used for bonfire purposes.

[lswiltshire]

http://www.skyviews.com/antigua/nels...rdroadmap.html

this map really shows that long winding rough road from the main road to the Dow Hill Dump that is UHSA very well. UHSA is at Dowhill tracking Station


http://www.valuemd.com/main-foreign-medical-schools-forum/13341-why-go-uhsa-antigua.html


here is the famous post by the class rep in 2004 about the successful uhsa
UHSA - Learn the facts!
I read several of the comments the people have to say about UHSA and some of them are correct and some of them are not. I was a student there up and until last year, until I found out that in my state (NY) you cannot do residency (and then apply for licensure in NY) from this University. At this point I am a student at SGU.
So here is the real truth:

1) The concept of UHSA to provide some credit to qualified individuals (health care providers) is a valid one. However, there is no proper screening mechanism and anyone, even without proper background can become a student at UHSA.

2) UHSA has very limited resources in terms of library, classrooms, labs and professors. The real heros are the students who finish this school and manage (with a lot of self-studying) to pass the USMLEs.

3) If you want to transfer to an approved school by your state (NY state has approved: SGU, SABA, AUC, ROSS) you will not get any transfer credits and you will have to start from the beginning.

4) If your state has a requirement to approve a medical school for residency (such as NY state has) then you will not be able to do residency as a graduate from UHSA and then to seek licensure from your state (this is a NY State regulation as far as I know).

5) There is good will from faculty and students but the resources available are limited to provide an appropriate and qualified medical education at UHSA.

6) There are some states that have licensed individuals from UHSA.

7) However, up to this date, the NY State medical board has never licensed a graduate from UHSA (this is according to the official position of the board expressed from the executive secretary of the board of medicine in New York State)

8) My communication with the NY State medical board revealed that a graduate of UHSA doing residency in NY state and afterwards applying for licensure in NY state constitutes a type E fellony.

Finally, because I want to be really objective, I strongly advise you not to listen to roumors, instead to do your own personal research on the subject and to objectively qualify the information you gather and make a responsible decision for yourself and yourself only.

Wishing you best luck to you and also to my buddies down at UHSA.
If I can be of further help, please let me know

Dimitrios

http://www.valuemd.com/main-foreign-medical-schools-forum/11234-university-health-science-antigua.html

more Dimitrios

UHSA President & Administration: SHAME ON YOU !
Dear Friends:

I am a former student of UHSA. I completed about 3 modules at UHSA and decided to leave the school after I realized that no graduate of UHSA has ever been licensed in the state of NY and that it constitutes a Type E Felony for a graduate of UHSA to complete residency in NY State. I am now a student at St. George's University School of Medicine (a fully approved institution in NY State). The purpose of this posting is NOT to discourage anybody about UHSA but to express my outrage towards the President and Administration of UHSA regarding the following situation and to inform you about what you may encounter in the near future as students or candidate students of UHSA. My complete viewpoint regarding UHSA has been expressed thru www.valuemd.com in a previous statement.

I requested an official transcript from UHSA over 4 months ago and paid the fees associated with such transcript. 4 months later instead of receiving an official transcript I received a letter indicating that in order for me to get an official transcript from UHSA I have to sign and notarize the following statement (I hope that you will get as outraged as I did when you read it):
" I, _____________, of _________ Street, _____, NY, ______, in reference to my withdrawal from the medical program at the University of Health Sciences Antigua School of Medicine DO HEREBY PLEDGE AN UNDERTAKE THAT I shall henceforth and immediately discontinue all litigation (if any) and other actions against the said school of Medicine, its Chairman, President, staff and all others in any way connected therewith. And I further undertake that I will not hereafter continue, participate or assist in the doing of any act or the making of any statement, written or oral, that is contrary to the best interests of the above parties or could cast aspersions on them or lower their estimation in the eyes of right thinking members of society generally.
I agree to compensate the School, the Chairman, President or members of staff for any damage suffered by them as a result of any breach of this Undertaking committed or caused by me."

Dear Friends: in other words in order for them to give me a transcript I have to forfeit my right of speech. Will you give up your own right of speech??? That is your decision to make.
As far as concerning my case I keep my right to speak out and they can keep my transcript since it is worthless. No accredited university accepts transcripts from UHSA.I hope that you find this information valuable and use it in whatever way you choose.

http://www.valuemd.com/main-foreign-medical-schools-forum/11234-university-health-science-antigua-3.html

[DOCplucinski]

i'll have to check it out...i was under the impression it was in St. John's because there was an address once on their website that said St. John's. i've only been out to English Harbor twice...pretty much in the middle of nowhere.

[RoHudTuffy]

You really should not comment on that which you do not KNOW, and even more so you should not make things up (lie) or distort the truth.