Does this "Mexican/US" School look familiar to VMD folks?

[kingkong]

An opportunity came up to to see and stay with family out of the country so I did that for awhile and not much internet access was available for me. Anyhow I'm back and just decided for the heck of it to check in on valuemd and expected to see little more about imsa-jbgdl etc and saw everything going on.

I would advise LSW not to respond to the nasty emails his wife has received. The best action is no reaction except to expose them on the forum as he has done. Clearly, if he were not telling the truth the JBGDL community would not be so disturbed about what is going on at their school. If he were telling lies and the students and staff were flocking to Guerrero they would ignore his posts. Either that, or someone associated with, or who was once associated with the school, is a very disturbed person and has a personal vendetta against him. That in and of itself is a pretty scary thing… that one who is so capable of sending such disturbing emails was ever associated with a “school” who claims they:
1. Treat our professional staff and employees with respect and strive for an excellent, competitive work environment.
2. The students are expected to embark on a career in a profession that requires high standards of ethical conduct and honesty. It is expected that each student will make a personal commitment to abide by the honor code. This implies avoidance of any form of intellectual dishonesty, and the demonstration of respect for the rights and well being of others, including all students, faculty, staff, patients and members of the community.
Maybe their code of ethics and professed standards don’t apply with former faculty members? I believe the threatening e-mails that Prausnitz and LSW have received when they spoke out about what they witnessed and experienced there confirms that concept pretty thoroughly. I would hope that any one of the current staff there watch their back both during and after employment there, if recent history has any bearing on their methods and practice of threatening others that try to expose them. And no matter who is sending, whether staff or student, what kind of administration would support a would-be doctor to send the sort of notes that has been sent to Mrs LSW. Just really bizarre and mean stuff. What sort of would-be doctor, or worse, a doctor or professional, would do such a thing?

From comparing the photos on the two websites it is very clear that only three of the original students returned, even though they got four new ones. After all the hype by ztruth and vivaimsa in the summer of 2007, one would have thought that floods of students would be flocking to JBGDL and that the school would have been advertising on VMD and other places, instead of hiding their light under a bushel and trying to operate under the radar. I really thought that they might be gone for good but I should have known better that they'd pop up again. It was just a matter of time. That place is unbelievable. I guess starting up phony med schools is Dr S's new career. He certainly is persistent, although not very good at it. I don’t know about anyone else, but I'm convinced that man has no shame and/or a conscience.

No kidding! They still have the same old pictures of the classroom on the website lol. Looks like they could have at least re-aranged the furniture!

I am so happy that I or my friend did not waste our money by attending their sorry excuse for a medical school last year. We would be on course to lose our money a second time. We would have had a better result gambling our money in Vegas. The history of this school tells the real story that's all there is to it. Those attending are living in a pipe dream not reality but they will find this out some day soon.

The web site name is strange and you can see that they were definitely trying to hide. That’s so stupid. How did they think they would get sufficient students? Maybe they're going to diners around town and offering sign up or referral bonuses again, or whatever Prausnitz said they did before. Who knows with them - the sky is the limit and they have no sense of professionalism nor do they care. “Just get students’ money” that is their only goal… and if anyone objects online, angry hate mail goes out, as if to say "Don't try to change us, or re-arrange us. We love to do things our slip-shod way… and once we get the students’ money who cares? Stop telling us we are going too quickly - can’t you see that the faster we send them through, the more money we will make?” And then they try and convince the students, the would-be doctors, per their website, that “J.B.G.d.L. will provide an innovative, practical and top-quality education.”

One does not have to have a crystal ball to read what is going on at that place!

[lswiltshire]

Dear Mr Moderator sir,
I have no desire to highjack your forum, and my only agenda is to warn prospective students and staff from going to JBGDL because of my great passion for my profession.

I therefore crave your indulgence sir by asking you to permit me to post this email I recieved today from a prospective student to JBGDL and my response to him. I hope that you wont find me in breach.

Dear Dr LSW,
You seem to know a lot about this JBGDL school can you help me?

I got the email address of one of the class members and cheerleaders of
JBGDL from one of his former classmates at IMSA, the one whose wife is the
new registrar at JBGDL.
And I wrote him to ask him how I could find out how to contact the school
because my friends and myself wanna attend JBGDL. A ask him also to tell me
if all the stuff on the two treads on valueMd are true? So he sent me the
website School of Medicine - "Jos Bernardo Gutirrez de Lara, A.C." and tell me to apply. I decided to write him back and
thank him and to ask him to comment on the questions I asked about the
bad publicity on ValueMd forum, cause it seems to me from reading between the lines that it is obvious that at least three insiders and at least one prospective student had derided and denigrated his school. I also ask him to tell me how many
students were currently enrolled, how many students were on staff, where
would clinicals be done and if they were any new students for January and
how many. I thought I was very polite. But I found his response to be very
rude and evasive since I was only asking for help and since he is a student
at this school. His answer which I will copy below has not helped me at all,
so I am asking you to help me answer these questions. Fell free to post this
letter on VMD, because I don’t suffer f…..s gladly. This is what he write back to me.

The negativity on ValueMD.com is extremely unprofessional and unethical if
it is coming from "insiders" and one student who never visited our campus.
Since I am on winter break and in process of preparing for the next
semester, I will defer you to Dr. L S, our founder, and have him answer your
questions to the legitimacy of the claims on ValueMD. You can also call the
registrar and set up an on campus tour. Her number is 210-XXX-XXXX. Looking forward to meeting with you in person and answering your academic questions then.


Young Sir,
If I were you I would forget that you heard of JBGDL. Whereas I cannot tell you if the former employees of the thing that has resurrected itself again
as JBGDL were extremely unprofessional and unethical, I can absolutely
declare that what was said by the ex-employees was factual, and truthful and cannot be denied or refuted. L S will not give you any answers either except the propaganda on their website.

Having gone to an excellent schoiol myself, and having visited and taught at other schools, and having seen the Caribbean offshore medical school develop from its infancy, I can absolutely declare also that JBGDL offers you an opportunity at a poor attempt of a school that keeps failing and reinventing itself every year, and reiterate that you would be better of at one of the established Caribbean schools.

These schools have a record and experience in producing students that pass the step exams and obtain residencies for over 30 years now. Even the very worst of the Caribbean schools are better than JBGDL.

There are new schools starting in the Caribbean in May at UHMS in St Kitts and Burnett International University also in St Kitts.

JBGDL insults you when it suggests on its website that attending medical
school in Cambridge or in northern Mexico are the same. For one JBGDL
continues to offer a four year program in three years teaching four half
days a week because it lacks the understanding that the material must be presented, especially to students that are less than stellar.

I am sorry that I can not please my good friends at JBGDL by stating otherwise, but I have never lied on this forum or its prdecessor for six years, and I will not start now.

[stephew]

You can within Terms of Service: and all on toic in one thread.

[weatherman]

No charter, no IMED. Need anything else be said? Do the few people there not understand the status of their futures?

Weatherman

[Genossa maximillian]

Don't you think you are over doing it? I mean, you used not one but 3 threads, 2 already locked out to convey the same message all over again. Besides, if they are going ahead with a green light with the school it looks like the efforts to derail the JGBDL project using these forums are not producing any substantial results. Just my observation.

Enjoy the day.

[lswiltshire]

I think I have spoken the truth consistently, logically, acurately and eloquently about that which I know, and have seen.

[Genossa maximillian]

Originally Posted by lswiltshire

I think I have spoken the truth consistently, logically, acurately and eloquently about that which I know, and have seen. I have spent 33 years in my profession so I can speak authoritatively, and without fear of contradiction. Sound doctrine that cannot be condemned (Titus 2:8)

Not disputing that mate, just making a point of observation, 3 threads full of pretty much the same.

Cheers!

[kingkong]

I would just like to comment on the conversation about the three threads. The problem as I see it, in regards to use of the three threads, is that the school keeps changing colors… for instance, the school’s name and website address… and yet the core remains the same. It would be goofy to keep using only the thread entitled “International Medical School of America” when speaking about the latest and greatest version of that school, which is now JGBDL. I think it is fine that the other threads are now locked, as their recent posts lead to the new thread anyhow. I also think the current thread baring the words “Mexican/US” school is more appropriate, due to the chameleon-like nature of the school. In awhile, who would know that just a year ago, JGBDL was IMSA, you know?

I beg to differ with the opinion that “efforts to derail the JGBDL project using these forums are not producing any substantial results.” I’m not sure what kind of results substantiate this claim, but I would say that only 7 students, 3 from the previous year and 4 new ones, is not an indicator that the school is going anywhere. And this forum kept me from losing my money there… so for me, the forum produced substantial results. I also do not feel that because they keep opening under different names that we should throw up our hands and say “oh well” and let the chips fall where they may, and just hope that new inquiring, prospective students will be able to figure it out on their own.

Secondly, why does anyone think that they felt compelled to change the name of the school? Because of the bad publicity and to make it harder to follow their trail and track record. I therefore believe that this forum has played a very important part in that respect… not to “derail” a school… but simply to inform prospective students. Come on, there are 4 students from last year at the school that left and just lost a ton of money. AND Losing 50% or more of your students after the first year is a pretty substantial loss, if you ask me.

The truth is, the JBGDL crowd calls LSW all kinds of names, and sends him nasty e-mails, and they rejoice in the thought that he might be unemployed, but I find it interesting that they cannot refute, and have not yet refuted, anything that he has said about the deficiencies in their program. When Prausnitz and a few others spoke out, it was the same scenario. If LSW’s efforts to “derail” the JGBDL project using these forums were not producing any substantial results, why are the JBGDL crowd sending nasty emails? Why didn’t they get floods of students streaming across the border in droves?

It is interesting too that although three threads were used to let the world know the truth about JBGDL, LSW did not start one of them. He has merely used his wit, knowledge of medicine, knowledge of the deficiencies there and much persistence in keeping the issues fresh in the minds of any newbies that might be lured to this awful school, just as I was.

How many television and radio stations are used to convey the same advertising messages over and over and over, day after day and year after year? Weatherman and LSW ought to be commended for the steadfastness and persistence they have demonstrated in exposing this school.


So should LSW give up telling the truth if he has a conviction that there is wrong being committed at JBGDL? He can if he wishes, but I certainly won’t. I admire his efforts because as I have said before, I’d be a sucker at JBGDL now, or would have just lost my money and a year of my life at IMSA, were it not for he and others on this forum pointing out the history of the school and the background of it’s founder… and the articulating very clearly of the deficiencies and dangers at that place. For me, it was invaluable information. It could be that their students are incredibly naïve… it could be that they just didn’t do their “homework” and research… or it could be that when you talk to the school staff, they are incredibly convincing. Whatever the case may be, I am grateful for this forum and the information I have received here - however the word gets out – with two threads, three threads, or one – it is good information, regardless. As always, this is just my opinion and the way I see it...!

[Genossa maximillian]

I understand that, but don't you think it takes away some credibility or seriousness when someone uses the forum as a pulpit and start quoting Biblical references to make their point?

[lswiltshire]

How can quoting Biblical references to make a point take away credibility or seriousness from any debate?
You sucessively had two threads blocked, now you are attacking my use of the Holy Scriptures? What will you think of next, buddy?