Does this "Mexican/US" School look familiar to VMD folks?

[lswiltshire]

On page 39 post #385 of the thread entitled IMSA, JBGDL promised on July 3rd 2007………that


The top administrators at JBGL have many years of experience managing med school and other university programs in Mexico where students and professors from the U.S. and other countries participate. They also have sufficient official guidance and support from the state of Tamaulipas to obtain the charter. It does take a careful process and time to get it.

Once they obtain this charter the school will be less than two miles from the border. This will be of great benefit to all the American students.

Again, I emphasize, this is a worthy organization that is assembling and organizing a solid medical school. Just to give you an example: in their advertisement for applicants to work at JBGL they received a series of applications from across the USA from talented and experienced individuals and some deans and professors from the Caribbean med schools. They are all ready to go there and make it happen.

We now know that they have been trying hard again at restarting their bogus school since September. But from the advertisement that appeared in Higher Chronicle yesterday 7th January 2008, one wonders why seven months later they are still looking for teachers. One wonders too why it is that they are offering such high wages? Is it because no one really wants to come and live in what was described as two of the three poorest counties in the USA?.

When you set of in September 2006 to go to the Texas border, you will think heck we will be in the USA. Things cant be that bad. Wrong! The conditions and ambience in Guerrero and on the Texas/Mexico border can not compare with any of the Caribbean islands; and the nearest Wall Mart is over 50 miles away!

One wonders since “the top administrators at JBGL have many years of experience managing med school and other university programs in Mexico where students and professors from the U.S. and other countries participate,” why is that JBGDL still cant the curriculum right yet after much online coaching?.

You must note also that they DO NOT HAVE A CHARTER OR IMED listing yet. Permission to operate by the state of Tamaulipas does not constitute having a charter. Nothing has really changed.

Note also that the new website says that the school is 4 miles from the border. They can not even lie consistently as they continue “assembling and organizing a solid medical school.”


How hilarious.

[weatherman]

A fine little border village which is progressing to be the capital of drug smuggling and illegal border crossings. The rest of the border is tightening up but at Nuevo Guerrero we have an advantage. Every night we turn the river off at the Falcon spillways. Thats right, you barely get your feet wet. If you want to play mule, we can provide you with excellent Mexican Blacktar. When you deliver for us we will
compensate and make sure that you get to Houston in one of our airconditioned 18 wheelers which are disguised for your protection.
(note sometimes the air conditioners breakdown so try to make your trip in January and February)

[lswiltshire]

The Nasty threatening Notes have started again . This time I will share them with you on VMD as well as the police. Here is the note that my wife got today.

Hey N
How are you today. I keep thinking how beautiful you are and how nice your personality is. Say, is that obese urine smelling looser still unemployed and eating himself to death? I bet your the only support in the family aren't you? Don't you get tired of that? Why don't you throw that fat selfish piece of pooh pooh out the door. The first thing that you will notice is that your house will start smelling better thats for sure.

Did you know that he has been emailing other women? You should check his email log, you would be suprised. Not that he could do anything but masterbate with that gut of his. God I'll bet the smell is horrible. Of course you are probably in charge of cleaning his A….. aren't you? Don't you get tired of that.

Maybe next time I see him I'll do you a favor and knock his block off. Then maybe you and I could get to know each other. You are a very beautiful woman N … and I would be very happy to get to know you better. I think you could do much much better then fat vr.

With love "You'r secret admirer"

[lswiltshire]

In this post I will continue to work through the promises made by the JBGDL administrator ztruth last summer.

All I want is that prospective students learn from these posts the kinds of things to look out for when applying to go to a non US medical school. I have seen many students hurting along the way. My motive is only to warn prospective students.

Ztruth continued

Not recognizing that his drivel and diatribe was pulling the school down, ztruth continued to pontificate thus
* you continue to lie and exaggerate for pages at a time.
(But he could not refute anything that was said)
* Do you think I’m going to sit here and try to refute everyone of your senseless statements? (Statements that he of course he could not understand by his own admission, and statements that should be explained for the benefit and clarity of the student.)

* IMSA-JBGL has corrected all that has been done wrong (by past administrators) (we now know better since we are able to peruse their website).
*
It’s within days that this fine project will turn around and show its true colors (yes they tried to hide their true colors like a chameleon under the radar until discovered and exposed, but they are still offering an inferior med school, with one teacher, from one classroom).

He even expressed his ignorance of the fact that the top officials were paid more than the going rate in the offshore school industry when he opined that the Super Dean was paid more than three times what he had ever seen before. How can you develop a long lasting institution if you over pay your staff especially when you don’t have students,BECAUSE YOU FINDING IT HARD TO GET TEACHERS-----AND STUDENTS?.
It does not make economic sense. The result will be that the school will have to close and the same staff fired when the money runs out as happened in December 2006.

The JBGDL administrator then admitted online that one of their top administrators had never seen patients, or that he had no idea what the USMLE is because he had never passed it. In my medical school all the top brass were long standing physicians!

We have already noted on the other post that the Dean at that time didnt know how to interpret the USMLE objctives either.

Prospective students you must ask if this is still the case.

The JBGDL administrator next suggested that “ According to reports from Mexico this organization will soon become an official chartered Mexican med school. Up to the present time it had worked under a license from the Cook Island. That will no longer be renewed for practical reasons. Pulling out of the Cook Island was the right thing to do.

He does not seem to realize that the fact that the Cook islands Government revoked the charter, when they recognized that they were not operating liike what they knew a medical school to be like, is known to all.

If you are a newbie to this forum and in case you didn’t know, read the facts on page 4 of the thread Government to Probe, and you will see that the JBGDL administration are chronic liars who cannot be trusted . Read the thread and you will find that the Cooks island government called in consultants to show that the school was poorly set up and run.

We are still waiting to hear about the granting to the school of a genuine charter from Mexico. No medical school in Mexico runs from a solitary one door classroom with one teacher. How come the 51st one does?

The administrator then admitted “Because of a number of administrative problems, the program has taken off at a slow pace. The students are hard working and well aware of certain limitations that the program has had so far. The administration has the responsibility to provide them with the opportunity indicated above. If necessary some courses will be reviewed entirely or in part. “


Prospective students, ask them if the new program has taken off at a slow pace again, and if they still have the limitations. ASk them what the current limitations are before you go. Then come on VMD and ask questions like the prospective students to all the other schools do.

There are students at JBGDL who have had to repeat courses not because they failed them, but because they have to be reviewed entirely or in part, because they were not properly taught in the first place, or they were lacking or inadequate in content as was stated last year. These students wasted a year of their life at this medical school in training! Do you want to find your self in thier shoes?


Note that according to its recent ad in the Chronicle of Higher Education that JBGDL is still practicing how to be a medical school complete with an absentio Dean.

http://chronicle.com/jobs/id.php?id=0000539820-01

Dr. S MD PhD
Dean and Professor
JBGDL
1000 N. Green Valley Pkwy.
Ste. 440-495
Henderson, NV 89074

[lswiltshire]

As he promised and pontificated last summer ztruth said “Trust the Directors of the organization to deliver a solid program and correct all that the above postings say they have done wrong. The present staff has the capability to deliver an EFFECTIVE MEDICAL PROGRAM. They are in constant communication with top consultants. They will secure the services of competent medical educators to conduct the courses. They will now operate by the rules of the Mexican Health Department (just like Autónoma de Guadalajara does). Everyone of the limitations that have been pointed out in this forum has been corrected. Any serious student at "Escuela de Medicina José Bernardo Gutiérrez de Lara" WILL HAVE: the material means, the professional guidance, the time and the program to become a "Médico Cirujano." As such they will be eligible to take the USMLE and be prepared to be successful at it. At JBGL the students may have a series of advantages that they will not have at Guadalajara or the Caribbean.”

From perusing the new long awaited website of JBGDL, it is obvious that the directors of the organization can not deliver a solid program, because the numbers of hours scheduled for semesters one and two in the slightly improved curriculum CANNOT be fitted into 20 hr work weeks! Prospective students count it for yourselves and compare with other schools.

Perusal of their website, which they have been hiding for months, indicates clearly that far from “everyone of the limitations that have been pointed out in this forum has been corrected” , that indeed, very few of the issues raised last year have been addressed. One doubts the capability of the current one man academic staff or the virtual distance dean to effectively deliver any medical program. How can they teach an incoming class in January with the ongoing class together in the same classroom with the same teacher, all those subjects? This is not the old time country school house in the wild west, this is supposed to be a medical school!

All we can say is that if they have been in constant communication with top consultants contact to secure the services of competent medical educators to conduct the courses, then these consultants have conned JBGDL, as the school seems to be attempting to con prospective students. Don’t you think?

Ztruth promised that JBGDL students may have a series of advantages that they will not have at Guadalajara or the Caribbean, but he still has not convinced us of any. Has he ever been to the Caribbean. Has he seen the Pitons in St Lucia, or Brimestone Hill in St Kitts, or The Cabrits, Diamond Pool or the large assemblages of 2o different species of ferns in Dominica, or Nelson’s Dockyard in Antigua? All these islands have established schools with a full complement of staff and students who have passed the USMLE. In addition students who repeat all or part of a course only do so if they fail it; rather than because, after a year the school failed to deliver it.

Ztruth admitted in his posturings that in their effort to correct all the past errors committed by JBGDL, that they had taken ideas from comments made on this forum, and that JBGDL could not have done it without our critical remarks. That’s what he said, not me! He confessed that I actually contributed something positive by my posts.

That is why VMD forum is so important. It is a teaching tool for errant bogus medical schools! And also as a seriouis warning to prospective medical students. That’s why the three threads on this school must not be closed. The school is learning from them; even though their learning curve is very flat, and like their non stallar students they learn very slowly. Students are learning from them also.


We note that the new Registrar of the school seems to be the wife of one of the students. We wonder if this is not a conflict of interest. Is that fair to the other students? I suppose that they cant pay a registrar or provide an office with equipment for her as they did in the case of the last lady. But we admit that this might apparently be one of the features you will receive “in attending (a) medical school with all of the attendant advantages over other foreign medical schools,” as posted on their website. This might be one of the “technological array of educational tools that will allow” them to “become a model of educational excellence in the International Medical School field.”

[lswiltshire]

In the summer ztruth boasted “ Believe me the faculty is competent. I recruited them through the Chronicle of Higher Ed. I will not discuss their credentials here. They were picked from among dozens of applicants of worthy status and plenty of experience”.


Why doesnt he list these chaps with thier credentials for all to see as the real, and established schools do? Sorry forget there is only really one present.

The truth is that just one of these chaps attended to start their usual one teacher circus. It has now suddenly dawned on them that they could not teach this term’s curriculum with one teacher (the man probably burned out last semester).

So they asked the Distance Dean to advertise in Chronicle of Higher Education for teaching recruits and offered to pay the highest pay I have ever read about in the offshore medical school industry. A pity those Indians that work for US $1500 at the St Lucia and Aruba Schools cant come and help you. They need a green card at least to cross the border everyday!


You really think that fellas will give up their nice tax free jobs in desired tourist destinations, to come to live in the poorest counties in America, and have to pay tax and social security on an “at will” contract in which these guys can fire you at will!


Then when you get fired, see if the state of Texas wont give you the run around about paying you unemployment benefits.


Its better to go to Windsor where you must pay pay an application fee of US 100 to get a job, then let them hold a months salary as a bond, and sign an agreement that you can't work at another school in St Kitts and Nevis for 5 years. (PM for a copy of the contract friends).

I really like you guys but I have to tell the prospective students and staff the truth. I dont want them to get hurt like I did friends.

[kingkong]

Well well... what have we here? Is anyone here surprised that the master crafter of phony med schools has tried to get another one going "behind the scenes" in hopes that valuemd folks wouldn't see it? My my how they under estimate people in general. They may think that everyone else in the world just fell off of the ol' turnip truck yesterday and don't know up from down, when in fact, their selection of staff from day one along with their program must have been established by someone who not just fell off of a turnip truck but must have also bumped his head very hard on the very hard ground in Mexico!! In fact, they are still advertising for teachers??! lol lol

[lswiltshire]

Ztruth also admitted that the top administrator of IMSA-SPOSM who was hired by the founder TwidledeDUMB was not able to take care of their original medical students. Certainly then JBGDL was at fault in their hiring. How can you the prospective student be sure that they wont hire an incompetent hierarchy again, when from this distance the experienced can detect so many deficits in their program?

Ztruth spits in the air and the spittle falls back in his space when he promised last summer that JBGDL “are starting small and will not make the same mistakes twice, like hiring high-priced incompetence”. One wonders then how come they are advertising for staff and offering to pay high-priced salaries, unheard of at established offshore Caribbean schools. Seems to me that they can’t get teachers so they have to offer real money for folk to go there.

Ztruth boasted last summer that JBGDL’s present administration would live up to their commitments. Have they?

Ztruth himself admitted that our posts were actually producing effective professional results, and stated that he was most appreciative!

Ztruth admitted that “It is true that there were some threats in the past. When honorable individuals are harassed by unemployed heklers, it can become annoying. …….., they need to be shaken to a certain point.”

Ztruth promised that in the fast track plans at JBGL is a state of the art psychiatric unit in which they will have a special attention program for heckler paranoia. Apparently there the students and admin are taught to send out the most vicious e mails and to make repeated phone calls to those who are honestly seeking to help them to improve, while simultaneously ensure that unsuspecting prospective students are not caught in their trap.

Ztruth et al could not debunk the facts stated on the forum so they resorted to threats even as they are doing now. They fail to see that the pen is mightier than the sword.

You folk at JBGDL may attack me as much as you like. You can threaten me with nasty mail as you have, but I will not run away. I stand for what is right! This is not about me. This is about something greater than me! This is about quality medical education!

I have the right as the gospel song says to “suffer a sinner to tell what he knows….” This poor old sinner plans to do just that about IMSA. I am just a witness. I was an eye witness of their folly, and I have the right to tell about it. The more you protest, the more I will tell it as the other gospel song says " ring it out! ring it out! tell to every land and nation! (via valueMD) .ring it out everywhere!

Everywhere I go, I tell of the most bogus of the bogus medical schools anywhere. IMSA/JBGDL

Finally, Ztruth asked “ If this was not a serious deal and an attractive program to become Medico Cirujano; why did so many MD professors and Deans from the Caribbean medical schools applied to work for IMSA-JBGL? I ask if so many eager staff applied to work for IMSA-JBGL why did they run the advertisement in Chronicle of Higher Education on 7th January 2008?

Prospective students, you can find all the posts by Ztruth the administrative dunce. at the link below and examine fully his lies, deceit, unfulfilled promises, contradictions, and ignorance about medical schools He is an embarrassment! is this where you want to go the school?

http://www.valuemd.com/search.php?searchid=1071335

I rest my case with ztruth, because Z-Truth can not defend the indefendable, as “ Schools are led by scholars and . Medical schools are led by medical scholars.

[lswiltshire]

JBGDL folk ! Just for the fun of it and your enlightenment.

I see you plan to murder those students by cramming the Neuroanatomy part of the neurosciences course into 60h or three of your 20 hour weeks. I expect you have brains from the cadavers to demonstrate on too? Eh?

This is section 3.1.3 gross and microscopic anatomy as indicated in the USMLE objectives below. You do expect your students to take the USMLE step exams don’t you? And you have now given them a copy of the the USMLE objectives so that they can check behind you right?

Lets assume that you will also now teach section 3.1.1 and section 3.1.2, will you tell your current and prospective students when you will teach the rest of Paragraph 3 of the USMLE objectives WITHOUT A SPECIALIST IN THAT AREA?

Will you teach it in the final semester in Neurology and cram it in the 40/h then? ( At a time when at all other schools the students are integrating the course and reviewing for USMLE?) Or will you cram sections 3.3.1 to 3.3.6 along with all the rest of the Systemic Pathology in your 60/h Systemic Pathology course? How can you realistically expect to do the Behavioral Sciences portion in 40 hrs or two of your 20 hour weeks? I wont even get into the Pharmacology.

I know that your students are so glad to be still in med school even after the debacle of last year, when they were sent home to study on thier own for several months, but do you not feel badly in your souls that you all dont know what to do, and that you are doing it wrong again?

Here is paragraph 3 of the USMLE objectives. ITS A LOT OF WORK ISNT IT students? This will be touigh for non stellar students in a program that is still going too quickly. You see the faster they can get you through the faster they can get another batch of suckers to fleece.

Ask your long distance Dean in Nevada. Call him or email him and ask him to fly in and explain how the school will handle this difficult aspect of the program as set out below WITHOUT A SPECIALIST IN THAT AREA?. Oh sorry. I forgot that you advertised this week.


Nothing has changed in Guerrero friends!


3. Central and peripheral nervous systems
3.1 Normal development and structure, and age-related changes
3.1.1 embryonic development
· neural tube derivatives
· neural crest derivatives
3.1.2 fetal maturation and normal perinatal changes
3.1.3 gross and microscopic anatomy
3.1.4 changes associated with senescence
3.2 Normal processes
3.2.1 metabolic, physiologic, and regulatory processes
· functions of neurons, synapses, and glia; neurotransmitters
· organization of the spinal cord
· organization of the brain stem
· organization of the forebrain
· diencephalic derivatives
· telencephalic derivatives
· higher functions of the forebrain (eg, language, memory)
· the limbic system and emotional behavior
· sleep, circadian rhythms
· sensory systems
· transduction; topographic representation; modulation
· cerebral cortical areas involved in sensation (eg, touch, temperature, pain)
· vision, hearing, vestibular function, taste, olfaction
· motor systems
· topographic organization; upper and lower motoneurons; reflexes, posture, locomotion
· cerebral cortical areas involved in movement
· basal ganglia; cerebellum
· control of eye movements
· autonomic nervous system and its regulatory processes
· the hypothalamus and control of the internal milieu
· organization of central and peripheral sympathetic and parasympathetic systems
· metabolism of the nervous system; blood flow; energy metabolism
· cerebral circulation, blood-brain barrier, cerebrospinal fluid
3.2.2 role in host defense
3.2.3 repair and regeneration (reinnervation, plasticity)
3.3 Abnormal processes
3.3.1 genetic/congenital disorders (eg, anencephaly, Down's syndrome, Huntington's disease)
3.3.2 inflammatory, infectious, and immunologic disorders
· infections (eg, meningitis, encephalitis, HIV infection/AIDS)
· demyelinating disorders (eg, multiple sclerosis)
· myasthenia gravis
3.3.3 traumatic and mechanical disorders
· brain and spinal cord (eg, subdural and epidural hematomas, hydrocephalus)
· peripheral nerve
3.3.4 neoplasms (eg, meningioma, astrocytoma; metastatic lesions)
3.3.5 idiopathic and neurodegenerative disorders; excitatory amino acids; nitric oxide; calcium (eg, epilepsy, blindness, narcolepsy; Alzheimer's and other dementias, parkinsonism)
3.3.6 vascular disorders (eg, cerebrovascular occlusion, cavernous sinus thrombosis, multi-infarct dementia, vascular malformations)
3.3.7 psychopathologic disorders/processes and their evaluation
· early-onset disorders (eg, mental retardation, motor skills and learning disorders, communication disorders)
· disorders (intoxication, abuse, dependence, withdrawal) related to substance use (eg, ethanol, nicotine, cocaine, opioids)
· schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders
· mood disorders
· anxiety disorders
· somatoform disorders
· personality disorders
· physical and sexual abuse of children, adults, and elders
· other disorders (eg, dissociative, impulse control, factitious)
3.4 Principles of therapeutics
3.4.1 therapeutic mechanisms of action and uses of drugs for treatment of disorders of the central nervous system
· anesthetics (local and general)
· hypnotics and anxiolytics
· psychopharmacologic agents (eg, antidepressants, antipsychotic agents, mood-stabilizing agents)
· anticonvulsants
· analgesics - narcotic, nonnarcotic
· stimulants (eg, amphetamines)
· antiparkinsonian drugs
· skeletal muscle relaxants; neuromuscular blocking agents
· antiglaucoma drugs
· antimicrobial, immunosuppressive, antineoplastic drugs
· antithrombotic drugs
· anti-inflammatory agents (eg, steroids)
3.4.2 therapeutic mechanisms of action and uses of drugs for treatment of disorders of the autonomic nervous system
· anticholinesterases
· parasympathomimetics
· sympathomimetics
· postganglionic parasympathetic blocking agents
· postganglionic adrenergic blocking agents
· ganglionic stimulating and blocking agents
3.4.3 adverse effects of drugs used in treatment of disorders of the nervous system (eg, steroids, acyclovir), including special considerations related to the newborn and elderly
3.4.4 other factors affecting the nervous system (eg, vincristine, propranolol)
3.5 Psychosocial, cultural, and environmental considerations
3.5.1 influence of emotional and behavioral factors on disease prevention, progression, and treatment (eg, drug abuse)
3.5.2 influence of disease and treatment on person, family, and society (eg, multiple sclerosis, cerebrovascular occlusion, mental retardation)