Does this "Mexican/US" School look familiar to VMD folks?

[Genossa maximillian]

The answer to your suggestion Steph is there might not be much to say I guess. This is a spin off of two previous threads with thousands of hits and posts combined....International Medical School of Americas and Government to probe new medical school. Actually (I know I will get rotten fruit and bad eggs thrown at me for suggesting this) this thread should be closed on that basis alone, why have 3 threads about the same thing?

[lswiltshire]

I beg to differ Genosa. The so called nothing that has been said on this thread so far has been done by seniors having a bit of fun. The thread so far has been no different in that respect than many of the threads on VMD which have no merit or purpose at all.

There is a need to warn newbies to the forum of this bogus school. Folk will also get to respect the influence and value of VMD! It is informative, educational, and sometimes even entertaining!

Perhaps one can on this thread get the chronology of this scam straight.

The two other threads have been painstakingly maintained, I have all the time and I will make the time to maintain this one also on the front page. WRONG MUST NOT PREVAIL SIR!

If anything close Government to probe first. At any rate every thread comes to an end when posters and those who view the posts lose interest. These posts on IMSA SPSOM now JBGDL have recieved hits consistently throughout 2007 and up until now.

Very few folk have written on these threads but the IMSA one is set to recieve 25,000 hits. This includes 5000 since September when the intensity of the posting slackened off.

[lswiltshire]

JBGDL and their Frequently Asked Questions

1. Why should I consider attending JBGDL?
For new comers to VMD, the correct answer is YOU SHOULD NOT. IT IS A BOGUS SCHOOL THAT IS TRYING TO START AGAIN FOR THE Nth TIME HAVING LAST FAILED LAST MAY WHEN THE CLASS AT THAT TIME WERE SENT HOME TO STUDFDY ON THEIR OWN UNTIL THEY COULD START UP AGAIN.
2. If I attend and graduate from JBGDL, will I be able to practice medicine in the US?
The correct answer is NO. You are not IMED listed, and so your students cant take the USMLE exams, which is required to practice in the US.
By the way it does make a difference if you attend medical school in Cambridge or in northern Mexico. CAMBRIDGE IS AFTER ALL A WELL KNOWN AND PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY WITH A LITTLE MORE THAN A SINGLE ONE DOOR CLASSROOM WITH LITTLE FACICILITIES AND ONE TEACHER.
3. If I decide to attend an international medical school, would not one of the better established Caribbean schools be a better choice?
JBGDL, THE OBVIOUS ANSWER TO THAST QUESTION IS YES. CANT YOU SEE THAT?
The 30,000 students who are not accepted to medical school each and every year now know a better choice would be AUA, AUC, ROSS, SGU, SABA MUA (Nevis) SMU etc any and all of the Caribbean schools whether established or not are a better choice than JGGDL ( the cat like school with nine lives)
We understand that it does not take much to get into JBGDL. That was obvious from the students you had on show when I taught there and by your admission now on how easy it is to get into your school, by your own admission. Fill out the application and have a chat with the Dean and you are IN!
That is the obvious interpretation of “Should you decide on JBGDL, unlike many medical schools, admission decisions are immediate upon completion of the application and interview with the Dean.”
Re , our students find the 4-day per week class schedule affords them the much-needed time to study. They also favor attending school year-round and graduating in 3 rather than 4 years.”

Yours is the only school that has a four day week with classes held for five hours. Your students will find out that you cant do a four year course in three years attending class for 20 hours per week ( that is if you last that long.)

4. Do I need to speak Spanish?
No would have been enough but since you took the time to tell us that all your faculty are US-trained physicians and scientists, why don’t you display information about them as is done by all other real medical schools.

[emrbu8]

Did anyone catch the bottom disclaimer for the curriculum that is camoflouged inot the background as follows : School of Medicine "Jos Bernardo Gutirrez de Lara, A.C."

"Proposed Curriculum. We reserve the right to adjust the curriculum as needed."

Interesting to say the least!

[lswiltshire]

Emrbu8 wroteDid anyone catch the bottom disclaimer for the curriculum that is camoflouged inot the background as follows : School of Medicine "Jos Bernardo Gutirrez de Lara, A.C."

"Proposed Curriculum. We reserve the right to adjust the curriculum as needed.

Sir, you will find that there are more anomalies with JBGDL.

After all the owner and his assigns don’t know what they are doing. This time last year the two leading students at the school were saying that they were working with the owner and the representatives of the money backers to fix the school. The blind was leading the blind then, and the blind is leading the blind now.

All efforts to teach them how to set up a curriculum has failed. These people are not even capable of copying a curriculum- far less implementing one. So this must chop and change ad lib, and learn as they go, according to the education they get on the forum .

Look at the curriculum for the first trimester below. Tell me how can you go to school for 5 hours daily four days a week and properly complete 310 hours of Anatomy (Gross, Histology and Embryology), 140 hours of Physiology and 30 hrs of Biostatistics?

Are these laboratories held in the solitary classroom? And by the solitary teacher, who is expected to teach all the subjects as usual? Off course there are no cadavers for anatomy. Do they even have the plasticized ones? What about proper microscopes?

Anyone who has been to a proper medical school can see that these folk don’t know what they are doing, and that in addition to their penchant for dishonesty, they are very slow learners.

That is why this thread is here to warn prospective students that there are better alternatives in the Caribbean. You would be better off at any of, and even the worst medical schools in the Caribbean.CAN YOU SEE NOW WHY THEY WERE HIDING THEIR WEBSITE AND TRYING TO RECRUIT STUDENTS BY WORD OF MOUTH? After all the founder knows that a sucker is born every day! LOL "

Fall trimester (I):

Gross Anatomy with Laboratory 200/h
Histology and molecular biology wit Lab. 70/h
Embryology with Lab 40/h
Physiology 140/h
Biostatistics 30/h

[emrbu8]

Originally Posted by lswiltshire

Emrbu8 wroteDid anyone catch the bottom disclaimer for the curriculum that is camoflouged inot the background as follows : School of Medicine "Jos Bernardo Gutirrez de Lara, A.C."

"Proposed Curriculum. We reserve the right to adjust the curriculum as needed.

Sir, you will find that there are more anomalies with JBGDL.

After all the owner and his assigns don’t know what they are doing. This time last year the two leading students at the school were saying that they were working with the owner and the representatives of the money backers to fix the school. The blind was leading the blind then, and the blind is leading the blind now.

All efforts to teach them how to set up a curriculum has failed. These people are not even capable of copying a curriculum- far less implementing one. So this must chop and change ad lib, and learn as they go, according to the education they get on the forum .

Look at the curriculum for the first trimester below. Tell me how can you go to school for 5 hours daily four days a week and properly complete 310 hours of Anatomy (Gross, Histology and Embryology), 140 hours of Physiology and 30 hrs of Biostatistics?

Are these laboratories held in the solitary classroom? And by the solitary teacher, who is expected to teach all the subjects as usual? Off course there are no cadavers for anatomy. Do they even have the plasticized ones? What about proper microscopes?

Anyone who has been to a proper medical school can see that these folk don’t know what they are doing, and that in addition to their penchant for dishonesty, they are very slow learners.

That is why this thread is here to warn prospective students that there are better alternatives in the Caribbean. You would be better off at any of, and even the worst medical schools in the Caribbean.CAN YOU SEE NOW WHY THEY WERE HIDING THEIR WEBSITE AND TRYING TO RECRUIT STUDENTS BY WORD OF MOUTH? After all the founder knows that a sucker is born every day! LOL "

Fall trimester (I):

Gross Anatomy with Laboratory 200/h
Histology and molecular biology wit Lab. 70/h
Embryology with Lab 40/h
Physiology 140/h
Biostatistics 30/h

well said, indeed

[lswiltshire]

This post is the first in an attempt to unify the posts on the SPSOM/IMSA now JBGDL scenario and to shorten the reading for the newbie and yet edify them about what has become the prince of the scam sham offshore school.

JBGDL THE STOP AND START MEDICAL SCHOOL- ITS ORIGINS and DEJA VU

If you are new to this forum, it is to your advantage to read both this thread and the other entitled IMSA totally to ascertain the dishonesty of this school which has now again reappeared as JBGDL.

This should allow you to make an informed decision as to whether, having failed to run an offshore American type school they can transition to run a Mexican style Medical school, or any type of Medical school for that matter.

The recent resurgence of IMSA (International Medical School of America) as JBGDL is another clear example of the ever-evolving, ever-changing chameleon-like existence of this so-called medical school. Surely it is true that when an institution's program changes as often as the wind changes direction, one has to question the integrity and sincerity with which they speak when they say, "we're going to try again"?

This organization has tried several times in the pass to run a medical school and has failed miserably each time. Why should you, the prospective medical student think that it will succeed this time? Are these not the same persons that have failed to deliver an American type education, with American faculty, etc? Are these not the same persons that sent home the students to study last time


JBGDL (formerly SPSOM/IMSA inter alia) has been in its several advents been a roving medical school with many names and faces.

JBGDL originally came on the scene with another name a few years ago when its owners tried to open somewhere in the Big Bend region of Texas and Mexico. Then it popped up again in a border crossing called Colombia, in the state of Nuevo Leon. Then it popped up in Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas and finally it ended up in Cooks Islands and Guerrero, Tamaulipas as SPSOM/IMSA, last year where it ended as a back street abortion in less than l year!

If you study the links and treads below, you will see that the history of the FAILURE OF JBGDL HAS BEEN CONSISTENT! CONSISTENT & PERSISTENT FAILURE!
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/arch.../t-119668.html

http://valuemd.com/archive/index.php/t-17227.html


Prospective students, you must ask yourself, why did it not last on the initial occasions. You should ask yourself, why should it last this time. Let those who choose to be guinea pigs go through the three years before you risk your money there. In the interim, go to an established and genuine medical school.
Its last attempt was from May 2006 year until April 2007 when it reemerged as SPSOM in the Cooks islands and as IMSA in Mexico. At that time, the CEO of SPSOM/IMSA/JBGDL sought a charter from the Cook Islands after being rebuffed by all 11 Mexican medical schools he had approached looking for a partner. When he had failed 11 times, the Cook Islands gave him an ear.

JBGD, however did not really care about the Cooks Islands or of having a school there. Their interest was mainly in getting the charter from the Cooks so that a school could be convened in Mexico, the very place where the LLC that operated both SPSOM/IMSA sought to lure unsuspecting students.

It has been well documented on this forum that in the year of its operation that SPSOM failed to run like a real bona fide medical school. There were only FOUR students, who were forced to go there so that the school could start, for it is relatively expensive to fly to the Cooks, it is relatively expensive to live in the Cooks. It is relatively inconvenient to go to school there. It has been documented that the school only had TWO teachers at any given time, and that for the most part these teachers were teaching several areas that were out of their specialty. It has been documented that the school had a poor curriculum, and that despite meetings where students and their parents complained, there was no improvement. It has been documented that the school’s chief academic officer was incompetent and unapproachable. It has been documented that the school did not present a proper business plan to the Cooks except one with ridiculous information that was widely circulated on the Texas Border.
Both schools were under capitalized and understaffed, and the Chief Academic Officer was conspicuous by his arrogance and ignorance in being able to interpret the USMLE objectives. The Cook Island Government closed the school in Rarotonga, and the school in Mexico closed, as it had no charter to operate. Since there is no evidence that it has obtained either the necessary charter to operate or IMED listing, graduates of the school are not eligible to take the USMLE exams necessary for licensure in the USA.
JBGDL has still not grasped that you can not start a med school without a charter or listing in IMED.


JBGDL (formerly SPSOM/IMSA inter alia) started a school without proper numbers of tutors and in less than adequate facilities. They started a school without proper leadership or a busyness plan! They started a school without adequate capital, causing the top employees including the Dean to quit!

You must ask yourself also, the following questions.
What assurances do I have that they will do it correctly this time?
Have they got the requisite number of students to sustain a medical school?
Do they have the requisite number of tutors this time?
Have the facilities improved?
Are they still operating from a loaned solitary classroom?
Are they library books, cadavers, microscopes and other things normally seen at medical schools?
Has the faculty improved?
Last time one of the tutors did not know what to teach quantitatively or qualitatively?
Last time one of the tutors had been imprisoned for attempting to trade grades for amorous relationships, and was actually fired for doing the same at IMSA.
Are the staff members still only getting the chance to teach in their subject areas here and there, oft and on, and when and then because there is grossly inadequate staffing levels? Do folk who attend such a school really love to be subjected to such up and down treatment?

Last time they started the school before they actually had a charter and IMED listing.

This time they admit that they don’t actually have either a charter or IMED listing again as noted in their website on their welcome page thus………………. The school will be listed in the World Directory of Medical Schools and IMED.

The state of Tamaulipas is NOT a sovereign country and therefore CANNOT confer degrees to anyone in this world, or the next. The graduates of a school without IMED listing CANNOT take the USMLE exam that is required for the initial steps toward residency and licensure in the USA in this world, or the next.Why has JBGDL been hiding for four months behind a notice on the old website which stated that the website was under construction when they know that the school was operating and using a new website to capture students unwittingly?

Why this deception?
What is it that the owners of JBGDL has to hide?
Of what are they afraid?
What is it that they do not want the general public to know?

If JBGDL is student friendly, and wants to encourage all qualified applicants, including non-traditional students, to apply to the José Bernardo Gutiérrez de Lara School of Medicine, why has it been hiding its website from the VMD community. After all this website has for several years been, one of the acknowledged sites for obtaining information about offshore medical schools.


YOU MUST AVOID THIS SCHOOL AT ALL COSTS

[weatherman]

I see where this website makes extensive use of the ruins of the old whore house in Guerrero. That seems appropriate. Any one who goes there is going to get screwed.

Weatherman

[lswiltshire]

Friends. IMSA has resurrected itself as JBGDL but nothing has changed. Now that it is known that they are operation again they have posted an ad in Chronicle of Higher Education once more. See http://chronicle.com/jobs/id.php?id=0000539820-01


Notice that they still have an absentio Dean, only this time he is farther away. Instead of being in San Antonio, now he is in Nevada.

Dr. S.......t C m MD PhD
Dean and Professor
JBGDL
Henderson, NV 89074
USA

Notice also that they are finding it so hard to get teachers that they are offering a salary of $80,000 to less than $90,000. That’s great. After all salaries at the offshore schools in the Caribbean can range from S12,000 or $18,000 in Aruba and St Lucia up to $48,000 to $60,000 at the best schools.

Seems JBGDL really desperate to get teachers. You would have thought that they would have got teachers BEFORE they restarted in September. You would have thought that they would have got staff BEFORE the start of a new semester. Nothing has changed friends. A leopard cant change its spots. And JBGDL is floundering again for lack of ideas and know not the way.

You would have though with all the tutoring they got last two years on VMD that they would have grasped BEFORE they restarted that you cannot run a medical school without teachers..

Prospective teachers or already duped teachers do note my post of February 16th 2007
http://www.valuemd.com/main-foreign-medical-schools-forum/119942-international-medical-school-america-2.html

Note there “that the school is registered in Texas means that you are hired under Texas law. However, you will in effect be working in Mexico. You will be working OUTSIDE OF THE US. Hence you will not be operating under TEXAS or US LAW. If they terminate you illegally with out proper cause; for example for racial discrimination, or any other reason, you have no recourse.

From the time you tell the lawyers you were working outside of the USA, they tell you, that you have no recourse; no legal rights. So you will then have to seek legal representation in Mexico. Just note that carefully!

Note also they will lure you to Texas (my wife and I got a trip to Rarotonga) and then when you ask about your contract, they will tell you there is no contract to tender, and that you have an “at will contract.” In other words, they can dismiss you at will!...... and they will!

I must also warn you about an issue not mentioned in the ad. You will have to fill out a form every weekend to tell him what you do with every 24 hours of your day.

Magistri, caveat emptor.

Do you really believe that a school with poor management and only a few students can pay you a salary of $80,000 to $90,000 when the best offshore schools can only offer $48,000 to $60,000 at the best schools?

For how long can they do this? In my case they paid me less than that for five months before the money ran out as documented by posts by Prausnitz, former top officers in the school then.

How do you know they have the money now? If the investors were bawling at the end of 2006 that they were not recieving the return on thier investment do you think they are recieving anything now? Do you think they are investing more money because the school restarted with a new name but following the same old ways?

When one considers that there are schools that have the break even enrollment number with a full staff complement at half the wages above, and these schools are struggling........... why do you believe that JBGDL can pay these wages for any length of time with far, far less than the break even number of students enrolled?JUST THINK ABOUT IT! DO THE MATH!

Who will go to the guano school on the basis of one of those “at will” contracts when they can and will fire you at will? Will you foolishly uproot and move your family to the Texas border as I did, and then get fired because less than stellar students complain about material that you are not given enough time to present?

You wont get the time to present the subject matter in 20 hours per week.
The students don’t know how to read the material and what to grasp therefrom on their own.
Who do you think will be blamed when they fail any shelf exams that you give?
.

[lswiltshire]

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls!!!! Behold the scheduled curriculum for JBGDL for this term

Spring trimester (II)
Neuroanatomy 60/h
Biochemistry 120/h
Microbiology 80/h
Immunology & Allergy 40/h
Behavioral Sciences 40/h
Nutrition 20/h
Public health & epidemiology 50/h

How many teachers required? At least five!
Are they running semester 1& 2 concomitantly?

Gross Anatomy with Laboratory 200/h
Histology and molecular biology wit Lab. 70/h
Embryology with Lab 40/hPhysiology 140/h
Biostatistics 30/h

Then they need at least two more teachers. Should be chaos out there without these teachers.


It wont be fun, however, presenting Neuroanatomy, Biochemistry, Microbiology, Immunology & Allergy and Behavioral Sciences in 20 hour school weeks to non stellar students.


SCHOOLS ARE LED BY SCHOLARS. MEDICAL SCHOOLS ARE LED BY MEDICAL SCHOLARS