Does this "Mexican/US" School look familiar to VMD folks?

[lswiltshire]

Experto asksWonder on whose desk the school's papers may be.

We certainly don’t know………BUT

We do, however, know one thing. JBGDL is a place to stay away from as they are not going anywhere in a long while.We do, however, know also that IMED states that they have had no official correspondence from the Government of Mexico.This certainly corroborates Prausnitz’s predictions that the Mexicans would be polite as they give them the run around.

Do you think that she may just be right? I certainly hope so!

Just think they might still have the charter from the Cooks Government, if only they had not gone down the wicket and been found out side of the crease! Before they could look around they were OUT! STUMPED! Clik clix! Bails off! Out! Stumped!

Newcomers to the forum you may find it interesting to read the saga of this school and warn your friends to stay far away from it.

It is noteworthy that on 01-03-2008 there were almost 25,000 hits on the thread entitled International Medical School of America . Despite abandoning it this site has received almost 3000 hits since.

At that time the thread Govt to probe new medical school which also relates to this organization had less than 11,000 hits it now has 13,601

We have certainly done a good job of warning everyone of the JBGDL IMSA SPSOM conglomerate. Murder!

[Experto]

One of the reasons why the school's paperwork may be stuck on someone's desk, somewhere at some level of the bureaucracy, is that its curriculum does not meet some fundamental requirements for a Mexican degree.

Look at all of the Mexican schools listed by IMED and everyone of them presents this statement: "A one-year internship, a one-year social service period and a Professional Examination are required for award of the final medical diploma, the Titulo de Medico Cirujano."

The JBGdeL school does not require the one year internship previous to the degree, nor does it require the one year social service period. And it will grant a "Doctor of Medicine" degree which is not equivalent to the standard "Titulo de Medico Cirujano." And, it will grant this degree if a student is all paid up; no reference is made to a "Professional Examination."

It can be assumed that the paperwork will not go anywhere until the school re-designs its curriculum in order to meet these requirements. The social service is actually required by the Mexican Constitution.

[lswiltshire]

Experto

You are absolutely correct about JBGDL’s curriculum.

You have to understand that JBGDL is doing a phase three of the Grand old Duke of York’s march—they are neither up or down!

When they said that they had an American type school with American teachers and an American (or USMLE) curriculum, they had a one door operation with two teachers at the most, and an absentio Dean who did not know how to interpret the USMLE objectives. THEY FAILED ABYSMALLY AFTER A FEW MONTHS.

As they struggled to restart they promised to have a Mexican school and award the Titulo de Medico Cirujano.

But when they re-emerged from hiding, lo and behold they are neither up or down! They are neither an American type school or a Mexican school.

However, they are consistent! You have to give them that.
Consistent in having poor standards.
Consistent in having a poor undescript curriculum.
Consistent in NOT knowing what they are doing.
Consistent in being unable to refute ANY of the charges brought against them in this forum.
Consistent in operating from that one door classroom with one teacher and the in absebtio Dean.
Consistent in being unrepentant for their sins.

We must therefore be CONSISTENT IN EXPOSING THEM BECAUSE IT IS NOT FAIR FOR ANY STUDENT TO GO THERE IN THE HOPE OF RECEIVING A PROPER MEDICAL EDUCATION.

[Experto]

Actually, to be in complete good standing a Mexican medical school needs to be accredited by two different entities: AMFEM (Asociacion Mexicana of Facultades y Escuelas de Medicina, equivalent to the AAMC) and COMAEM (Consejo Mexicano para la Acreditacion de la Educacion Medica, roughly equivalent to the Liaison Committe of the AAMC but independent from AMFEM). And it has to be registered by two federal entities: The Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Education. This is true even if a school has a charter from any state of the Mexican Republic.

Does anybody know how many of these certificates and registrations JBGdeL has achieved so far?

[weatherman]

really doubt that they have any.

Weatherman

[Experto]

Was looking at the JBGdeL website, and found one letter and one legal document. The letter is from someone who is no longer listed by the government of Tamaulipas as the mayor of Guerrero. Aparently the guy finished his term months ago, and is gone, gone. The legal document is very peculiar. It was issued by a lawyer and is informing the founder and ceo of the school that the documentation necessary to request the use of a certain tract of land has been turned over to the government of the state of "Tamaulipa's." This is probably the land where the med school would be built. And the letter also says that the government will take action by January 2006 on the request. But there is no posted evidence that the government ever acted positivelly on the request.

Does anyone know if the present mayor of Guerrero continues to support the establishment of the school?

Does anyone know if the government of "Tamaulipa's" ever acted favorably on the request to use the land?

Is there any active building going on?

[weatherman]

My source from Roma says that there is no building going on.

Thundercloud (AKA Weatherman)

[Experto]

Two pages have been added to the school's website. The first makes the claim that the school is IMED listed, and then moves on very fast to another that extolls the virtues of the school, and then to the content of the old website.

But the school is not listed in the IMED website. And only about three weeks ago it was advertising for faculty for the courses of the semester that was about to begin (No one to teach the new semester?)

The rest of the site remains the same, with an unposted tuition.

And, the school now has a Spanish website, which you can find through the new application appended to the second of the new pages (I am a new member and cannot include links in my postings.). It is very interesting. It posts a document which is not posted on the English website. The document is from the State of Tamaulipas and authorizes the school to operate. The document includes the curriculum that the medical school will implement, and it is very different from the curriculum in the English website. It is 10 semesters long, and it is the curriculum for which the former dean has been faulted in this and other threads; it is not the curriculum that appears in the English website. It also posts the tuition for Mexican students, which is less than 1/10 of the last tuition posted for American medical students.

Does anybody knwo what is going on?

[weatherman]

They have tried every scam in the book. I'm sure they are rewriting the book to add others. No IMED no way.

Thundercloud (AKA Weatherman)

[Experto]

Spent sometime today studying, comparing and contrasting the contents of the document from the Government of Tamaulipas, the curriculum published in the English website and the curriculum published in the Spanish website of the JBGdeL School.

I am not sure that I should turn this into a doctoral dissertation but, here are some of the highlights of what I found.

The school has been licensed to grand the degree of Baccalaureate (Licenciatura) of Medicine and Surgery. The English website says that the students will receive the degree of Doctor of Medicine.

The government is expecting the students to go through a Servicio Social to be granted the degree. This is mentioned in Government's document in the Spanish website, and in the curriculum section of the Spanish website, where it is stated that the Servicio Social will have a duration of not less than six months and not more than one year; and that the Servicio Social will begin only after the student has completed one year of Internado Rotatorio (Rotating Internship). Neither the Servicio Social nor the Rotating Internship are mentioned in the English website.

The curriculum in the Spanish website, which is the one approved by the Government of Tamaulipas, is, as I said before, the one for which the previous dean has been faulted in these and other ValueMD threads. The curriculum in the English website is a more less "straight" Flexnerian curriculum based on the disciplines and specialties of medicine and the only fault with it would be that it is ancient. Goes back to the XVIII Century and Boerhaave.

The necessary conclusion is that the JBGdeL School will be running two curricula: one for Mexican Citizens, which is valid in Mexico and which leads to the Baccalaureate of Medicine and Surgery after 10 semesters, plus one year rotating internship and social service of 6 to 12 months duration. Thus, the Spanish curriculum will require a minimum of 6.5 years to be completed by a student. The other curriculum is for Americans, and leads in three years (less that half of the Spanish curriculum) to the degree of Doctor of Medicine, degree which is granted withouth a rotating internship and social service and without the school being licensed to grant it. But, will it be valid in the US?

What kind of sense can one make of all this?