Why go to UHSA Antigua?

[DR.E]

Your forum is almost 100% correct. 95% of those considering med school should not go to UHSA. When I went only about 25% of my classmates went on to residency. Also when I went in 1998 there were no on-line programs. I stayed on the Island most of the year. Most of my classes had fine professors and my passport was stamped for 90 days at a time. I had the option of staying on the Island for the entire semester in the traditional manner or leaving but only after I remained in lectures for the amount of time as required by traditional medical schools for each of my subjects. If you missed more than three days of lectures you had to repeat the class. I dissected fresh human cadavers with 4 students per body. If I left the island, I had to be in an office, with a licensed Doc, seeing patients, doing preclinicals. I had to document every patient I saw. I did all my core rotations at teaching hospitals along side U of M, Case Western, WSU, and many other prominent US med students. My state verified this at the time of my licensing. I am totally against on-line classes although many US med schools offer on-line course alternatives but that's ok, only outside the US is forbidden. As I said I'm against on-line med school but most of these UHSA students do not plan to practice medicine. They are oral surgeons, DDS, instructors, missionaries, nurses and PAs that just want an MD degree. Many do not even take USMLE boards! I believe many PA's, NP, Nurses, and a few other motivated health care professionals could complete on-line basic science courses, pass USMLE do teaching hospital rotations, and become exceptional physicians. Look at me, although I did nothing on-line, I was a Pa for 28 years, I worked in FP and spent years in a neurosurgery ICU. I passed step 1 & 2 with minimal study. I scored 65 percentile on my residency in service for the entire US. I didn't even open a book for that one. I am exceptionally rated on all my rotation evaluations. I'll have spent seven years and $200,000 dollars to do the same thing I did before I went to medical school. The average undergrad shouldn't go to UHSA but for students like me UHSA offers something you just can't get at any other med school. I agree they should have strict admission standards and they do not. I believe they should force students to attend live lectures on the Island like they did me but I believe that passing USMLE 1 & 2 no matter how (we all know you can't fake your way through step 1), doing US teaching rotations and a certain motivation with a past health care experience is a formula for a very competent resident. So please stop bashing UHSA Antigua and put it in the special category it deserves. Those bad students will self-destruct on their own!!

[jenn-jenn]

DR E THANKS FOR YOUR POST

Re Your forum is almost 100% correct. THANKS FOR ADMITTING THIS

Re 95% of those considering med school should not go to UHSA. THANKS FOR ADMITTING THIS

Re When I went only about 25% of my classmates went on to residency. THANKS FOR POINTING THIS OUT

WE NOTE THAT YOU WENT IN 1998. ITS NOT LIKE THIS NOW . OK? THINGS HAVE GONE DOWN HILL SINCE OK?

Re I am totally against on-line classes although many US med schools offer on-line course alternatives IM GLAD YOU SEE WITH MOST OF US ON THIS FORUM

Re I'm against on-line med school but most of these UHSA students do not plan to practice medicine. YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE EVIDENCE TO SHOW DIFFERENT. WHEN THE CASES ARE PROCESSED BY THE STATE AUTHORITIES WE WILL TELL YOU THE RESULTS.

Re I believe many PA's, NP, Nurses, and a few other motivated health care professionals could complete on-line basic science courses, pass USMLE do teaching hospital rotations, and become exceptional physicians. THAT MIGHT BE TRUE BUT THAT IS NOT THE ACCEPTED WAY TO DO IT. UHSA WANTS TO BE A LAW TO ITSELF FOR ECONOMIC CONVENIENCE


Re The average undergrad shouldn't go to UHSA WE AGREE WITH YOU THERE BECAUSE MANY ARE INDEED GOING, SO WE MUST WARN THEM OK?

Re I agree they should have strict admission standards and they do not. I believe they should force students to attend live lectures on the Island like they did me WE AGREE WITH YOU THERE AGAIN

Re So please stop bashing UHSA Antigua and put it in the special category it deserves. NO WAY UHSA DESERVES TO BE BASHED AND IT WILL BE BASHED. THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT UHSA. THE RULES ARE FOR ALL MEDICAL SCHOOLS . UHSA ARE BREAKING THE RULES AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE EXPOSED. YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW, BUT STEPS HAVE BE TAKEN IN THIS DIRECTION WHICH WILL NOT BE HERE DISCLOSED.

Re Those bad students will self-destruct on their own!! THIS IS TRUE BUT UHSA MUST PAY FOR ITS EVILS

THANKS FOR YOUR HONEST OPINION YOU SEEM TO KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND I AM HAPPY THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO USE YOUR VAST EXPERIENCE TO REAP YOUR SUCCESS . BUT UHSA MUST COMPLY WITH THE RULES

AND NOT SHORT CHANGE AND CHEAT FOLK

[lswiltshire]

The post by Dr E is most amazing. Here is a man telling the truth from his heart about UHSA, but yet asking that the school not be bashed.


He agrees that 95% of those considering med school should not go to UHSA, and that the posts on the valumed forum is almost 100% correct. So what more is there to be said? Why is he trying to defend the indefensible then?


He says that the average undergrad shouldn't go to UHSA, and I hope prospective students see that.

We read that only 25% of his classmates went on to residency. Doesnt that say a lot? Seems that all the would be UHSA defenders are only putting thier feet in thier mouths and helping us prospective students see that UHSA is indeed a scam.


Dr E stresses that he is otally against on-line classes although many US med schools offer on-line course alternatives.So why shouldnt folk bash a school whose activities and proceedures are unacceptable?


Dr E agrees that UHSA should have strict admission standards and they do not, and that they should force students to attend live lectures on the Island . Since this is what everyone is saying, why is he asking folk not to bash UHSA?


If UHSA students do not plan to practice medicine, why are they paying so much money and going through so much trouble to become MD's?.
THe reasons why prospective students should NOT go to UHSA, is what must be stressed? Up until now no one has told us prospective students why we should really go?


UHSA's website makes it clear that they need money. I have read no other school's website where one is told clearly dont apply unless your finances are in order.

We have been told time and time again that there are no proper labs, no microscopes for Histology or Microbiology at UHSA ; that the buildings leak in the rainy season, and there a lot of unfinished buildings, and some worth condemning.


I have difficulty understanding why the pathology course of this 21 year old Med Schoolshould be designed by another medical school and offered online? Cant UHSA find teachers of Pathology?

Proper Med Schools and universities have Departments for all the disciplines. Each Department has a head and there are several teachers in each department. These teachers are all resident at the school, even if they are engaged in long distance teaching excercises.


Dr E points out that UHSA Antigua should be put it in the special category it deserves. Does he mean the trash heap? What is so different about UHSA except that it is an online corespondence internet bogus medical school that is helping to give other offshore schools a bad reputation.


UHSA certainly provides a good option for some people who want to take short cuts through Medical School. But it is not going to work for me!

[jenn-jenn]

at http://www.caribeanmedicine.com/foru...p?TID=128&PN=1, Dr. Mark C., DO, MD, (PM & R) , a UHSA grad stated inter alia about a UHSA degree that >>>> However in practicality, and most probably you will not get medical license as most states mandate real classroom setting. >>>> Trust me after UHSA I was left with an MD that is good for research and general knowledge, not for licensure. I am currently using my DO license to practice physical medicine (PM & R) in California, in the states DO = MD (in most states if not all), so for me it didn't matter, if I got an MD license or not.>>>If you want a license then UHSA, IUHS are not a smart choice. >>>>>>.If you want offshore med school for licensure go to Ross U, SABA, St. George or AUC,

WHY SHOULD YOU GO TO UHSA WHEN ITS GRADUATES GIVE THIS OPINION?
We have been told of an oral surgeon who had got one of the correspondence degrees from UHSA in Antigua. he is chief of staff at his hospital and lists his MD degree,though he is licensed as a DDS. When a letter was written to his hospital,his state board, this UHSA grad has had to remove all listings of his medical training under his state law. What an embarrassment after wasting $60,000 for his degree.

WHY SHOULD YOU GO TO UHSA AND LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU WHEN YOU GRADUATE?

Confirmation was received from the American Dental Association that they are going to discuss the 'md' designation by some who are not attending medical schools, such as UHSA. It may become an ethics issue for dentists who claim MD degrees from offshore correspondence medical schools.


UHSA is on the "Questionable Organizations" list at Quackwatch.com > http://www.quackwatch.org/04Consumer...nonrecorg.html An MD obtained from this school is not recognized by the State of Indiana. Several recent WHY SHOULD YOU GO TO UHSA WHEN THEY ARE PROPER MEDICAL SCHOOLS? In a day like today schools like UHSA should be avoided. There are too many other schools to which one can go, where you will have fewer complications after you graduate. FMGS get enough trouble as it is-- why add more to yourself by attending the UHSA?

articles in the news have profiled offshore medical schools and the problems that their graduates have been involved in.: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie...edical+schools > > http://www.abcnews4.com/news/stories/1203/113989.html
These are the requirements in Indiana to hold a medical license: > http://www.state.in.us/legislative/i...r22.5/ch3.html
We have learned that In Indiana, a licensed dentist who is advertising him or herself to be an "MD" without having graduated from an accredited program, passed the National Boards, passed the US licensure exam, and obtained a license from the Indiana State Medical Board, is engaging in fraud.
Graduates of the University of Health Sciences in Antigua, are banned in several states.
WHY SHOULD YOU GO TO UHSA WHEN THEY ARE PROPER MEDICAL SCHOOLS?

After you have read this accurate articulate post by DR E, one of UHSA's own ambassadors, WHY SHOULD YOU GO TO UHSA WHEN THEY ARE PROPER MEDICAL SCHOOLS?

[dt]

Originally Posted by jenn-jenn

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UHSA is on the "Questionable Organizations" list at Quackwatch.com > http://www.quackwatch.org/04Consumer...nonrecorg.html
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Funny thing is that the credibility of the principal of Quackwatch is in question according to a court in California.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpo...urt_judge_.htm

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by dt

Funny thing is that the credibility of the principal of Quackwatch is in question according to a court in California.

See: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpo...urt_judge_.htm

nah, if you read Tim Bolen's stuff you quickly realize who is the quack there.....Dr. Barrett is a fine retired psychiatrist who does good work unearthing quacks and other health fraud.

[dt]

Yes, I like to get both sides of the story. azskeptic, do you know if the CA decision posted is valid or if it has been overturned?

[jenn-jenn]

Maybe I quoted a poor source, but what ever side one looks at the FACTS........UHSA IS BANNED IN THE STATE OF INDIANA , and so is IUHS among others.

Some of us like to strain at gnats, and swallow camels, but UHSA IS BANNED IN THE STATE OF INDIANA and other states!

[fannate]

This is a very good question. In the case of UHSA its a miracle that they do since the UHSA basic science is more than a crash course! It certainly is a scam, as has been pointed out.

The school itself declares this to be true in its description of its Basic Science program, we read "The participants attend classes for 4 weeks in Antigua every 3 months during an 18-month period for Basic Sciences." As has already been stated by those who have attended UHSA this is a crash program, and one wonder at the gumption or naivite of UHSA to admit that, and expect folk to rush down to Antigua to school.

What I find most disturbing is the paragraph that states "At the end of each 4-week session in Antigua, the participant returns to his/her place of residence (country) where he/she is expected to do password protected case-based assignments via our specialized website called Embanet, on the areas of the courses that should be emphasized or not covered while in Antigua. UHSA is here admitting that the course work is not and will not be covered in the 4-week session crash program in Antigua. It also points out that there are areas of the courses that should be emphasized, that are not/will not be emphasized in the 4-week session crash program in Antigua. This is very, very strange. How can the students know unless they have proper teachers, who cover the course work and explain those areas which are not so easily grasped.

There is no good reason why "areas of the courses that should be emphasized" are not be emphasized while in Antigua, except of course you can not teach Basic Sciences properly in 4-week session crash programs. Indeed, "Anyone who has been to elementary school can see that this scheme is indeed a scam."

UHSA asks its students to pay $19,000 per year for four weeks crash tuition, plus some internet correspondence homework. Then when this ploy is criticised online, they dare to talk about educational terrorists?

UHSA specifically states in explaining its "inovative cutting edge program" that each student is also expected to have another mentor (off-campus basic science mentor) in a specific area of the basic science courses that are taken in each of the academic sessions. It boggles the mind why anyone would want to pay $19,000 per year for four weeks crash tuition, and then must also seek and find off-campus basic science tutors for each subject in the Basic Sciences as well. What is the student paying thier money for?

UHSA specifically states that " The institutions with which the off-campus basic science mentors are associated with are regarded as the basic science site of our University." In other words UHSA is saying come and pay us $19,000 per year for four weeks crash tuition, and arrange at your expense and by your own efforts to be properly taught wherever you can at other institutions.

Go read it on thier web site yourself. I still cant believe what I saw there. But its there

............... For example, if a student is taking the Anatomy Course in a session, he/she is expected to have a mentor (off-campus basic science mentor) that is an Anatomist during that particular session. The off-campus basic science mentors should be associated with medical or non-medical colleges and universities. The off-campus basic science mentors would provide the student with reading assignments and meet with the student to discuss the assignments. The assignments and the meetings are further enhanced with the use of communication and information technology. In addition, students are allowed to attend lectures and laboratory sessions at the medical or non-medical colleges and universities associated with the off-campus basic science mentors. The institutions with which the off-campus basic science mentors are associated with are regarded as the basic science site of our University."

After paying $19,000 per year for four weeks crash tuition UHSA students, by UHSA's own admission must go look for mentors elsewhere in every basic science subject-- and pay tuition there too. So why do students go to schools like UHSA? BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EDUCATIONAL TERRORISTS THERE!


What is worse, is the number of fools and medical illiterates, who are sympathetic with the high class thievery that UHSA perpetrates, and want to perpetuate. Such twits come into this forum offering silly arguements that such thievery should be allowed, without trying to understand fully the modus operandi of UHSA.

It is indeed as lswiltshire says "UHSA basic science is more than a crash course! Its truly another Nigerian scam! AVOID IT! "

UHSA is offering students the opportunity to be taught elsewhere but they are still collecting thier $19,000. At the same time thier is no quality control. Every school has a different sylabus. But once you tell UHSA you did Anatomy at Timbuctu its ok, after all they got your $19,000 already upfront. How can sensible and moral folk condone such crookery upon unsuspecting students, who can only see a chance to put MD behind thier name?

This program is really the brainchild of an eduvational thief and terroist!

[lswiltshire]

go to http://www.uhsa.ag/oic/intro.htm and read it your self! last pararaph!

UHSA declares itself the mayo clinic of the Caribbean.

v. The School of Veterinary Medicine was established in 2000 by UHSA, with a mandate to award the Doctor of Veterinary Medicine ( DVM ) degree to students who successfully undertake the institution’s veterinary curriculum. Ever since the outbreak of the Second World War when veterinarians were drafted by the British Government to perform complicated surgery on wounded soldiers because of a shortage of medical doctors, the concept of “one medicine” has been generally accepted. Hence, veterinarians are a part of the Primary Health Care System of many countries in the world because of their involvement with zoonotic infections and public health and because of the fact that virtually all drugs used by humans are initially tested on animals. Therefore, the establishment of veterinary studies by UHSA further demonstrates the University’s commitment to the improvement of the primary health care system in view of the other roles that veterinarians play in the society (i.e. animal health care, livestock production and laboratory research). UHSA is indirectly serving the society by training veterinary doctors.

It is undoubtedly evident from some of the contributions of UHSA to medical education articulated above that the University of Health Sciences Antigua School of Medicine is becoming the mayo clinic of the Caribbean.

Note that there is no School of Veterinary Medicine at UHSA.UHSA DOES NOT TRAIN ANY veterinary doctors. It does not have the resources to do so.


However, note that UHSA, if it had the resources would readily train vets to doctor humans.

ROSS , however , has a vet school in St Kitts. NOte that ROSS started around the same time of UHSA. While UHSA has been peddling lies and devising scams, and breeding edicational terrorists, ROSS has been educating doctors and vets.