Stop the Nonsense

[jpryor]

Again, I caution anybody from assuming what they read here is fact. The Medical Board of California, since it has been cited as an example, has very specific criteria for foreign medical school graduates (as do all states). Go to their web site and read for yourself and you will learn that the requirements for licensure in the state of California are no more restrictive than they are for any other state. The web site specifically details the requirements for passing the USMLE, the number of credits for core training, etc. Now, I have no intention of continuing this drivel, because I'm a firm believer in buyer beware. If you take the time to do your own research from CREDIBLE resources, you won't bother listening to pundits. If you NEED somebody to guide you away from a 9 week diploma mill, then...well, heck, I guess I'm happy for you.

[october]

Originally Posted by Miklos

This, in the case of California, is false. If your med school/program is not approved, you cannot be licensed EVEN after board certification.

(The regulation is written in such a way that there is NO LOOPHOLE.)

See Pat Park's post at http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=988

If you do not believe me, check with the Medical Board of California www.medbd.ca.gov

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Interestingly enough California licensed the below MD graduate of one of the disapproved schools, Cifas University in 1985, one year after they disapproved the school.

If you have the time you can manually search the database and find a bunch of other such CA licensed doctors.

What gives?



http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=41722&P_ LTE_ID=782


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Licensee Name: STEVEN R WILBUR , MD
License Type: PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON
License Number: A41722
License Status: LICENSE RENEWED & CURRENT
Public Record Actions: NONE
Original Issue Date: MAY 16, 1985
License Expiration Date: JUNE 30, 2004
Address: 11010 SUCCESS CROSS ROAD
NEVADA CITY, CA 95959
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Medical School: UNIVERSITY OF CIFAS SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
Year Graduated: 1982



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[agnostic]

Originally Posted by stephew

you think spritied talk means folks are thinking? When you reread some posts, don't you think it means exactly the opposite?

Schurly not, Stephew!

A last i can saye im in aggreemeent with the good woerk of Azskeptic. He helpd Iswiltshire to a void too bad schools and he helpd me with my spelinng.

[Picard]

Interestingly enough California licensed the below MD graduate of one of the disapproved schools, Cifas University in 1985, one year after they disapproved the school.

If you have the time you can manually search the database and find a bunch of other such CA licensed doctors.

What gives?

I noticed the same thing a while back and actually talked with Ms. Park about this in detail.

When the California legislature changed the rule and banned all graduates from non-approved schools, there were several graduates from these disapproved schools that where either already licensed, or were in the application process of being licensed. These graduates were "grandfathered" in and allowed to keep their licenses. The way the law stands NOW, NO FURTHER LICENSURE WILL BE ISSUED TO GRADUATES OF UNAPPROVED SCHOOLS, like Ms. Park has said here time and again. No loopholes.

Again, I caution anybody from assuming what they read here is fact. The Medical Board of California, since it has been cited as an example, has very specific criteria for foreign medical school graduates (as do all states). Go to their web site and read for yourself and you will learn that the requirements for licensure in the state of California are no more restrictive than they are for any other state. The web site specifically details the requirements for passing the USMLE, the number of credits for core training, etc. Now, I have no intention of continuing this drivel, because I'm a firm believer in buyer beware. If you take the time to do your own research from CREDIBLE resources, you won't bother listening to pundits. If you NEED somebody to guide you away from a 9 week diploma mill, then...well, heck, I guess I'm happy for you.

jpryor,
You SIMPLY have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Ms. Park (whom is a real person in California board many of us here have spoken with personally) have time and again stated that if ANY PART of your medical education is done in a school not approved by California, you will NEVER, EVER, NEVER be licensed in the state of California. You could be a world-famous, board certified neurosurgeon with full professorship at Harvard, you STILL will NOT be licensed in California if you had gone to a school not approved by California. Peroid, NO LOOPHOLES. If you believe otherwise, you will be surprised down the line. Call California board yourself and you will be enlightened. I do agree with you, however, about the 9-week diploma mill stuff... it's no way to become a physician.

Consider this, you become a licensed M.D. upon graduating medical school—meaning before you start your clinical training as interns and residents.

This shows that you either have never attended medical school (and have no idea what you are talking about), or you are just naive and are in for a rude awakening...

Show me ANY STATE that will issue a medical license to anyone fresh out of ANY medical school without any post-graduate training. For most states, US grads must complete internship before becoming eligible for licensure. For most states, IMG"s must do 2 to 3 years of residency before becoming eligible for licensure. Your "registration" with the state medical board as a resident is NOT a medical license. And "registration" with medical boards as interns/residents does NOT in anyway equal to eligiblity for licensure in that state. Plenty of folks who cannot be licensed after doing residency. I've personally seen this through the various hospitals I've rotated through when I was a medical student. And in many of the hospitals I've worked at, there are plenty of IMG's working as nurses, OR techs, radiology techs because they couldn't get licensed. It's a big industry out there, training IMG's to do paraprofessional health care because of their inability to be licensed as physicians.

And Board certification is just that, board certification. It has NO licensure implications. They are two completely, separate issues. Yes, some medical boards will use board certification as A PART of the criteria when they evaluate an applicant for licensure. But there are NO medical boards that will issue you a license based SOLELY on your board certification. If you don't understand this, it means you are not in the medical professon (no, being a PA does not count because licensing is different.)

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[jpryor]

Picard, I've been licensed for 30 years. I don't know what rock you crawled out from under, but to allege that Board Certification doesn't give a physician full authority to practice medicine is ludicrous. If you want to get into some inane discussion over the difference between obtaining a medical doctorate, becoming licensed and Board Certification--to what end? Would anyone bother with one if not pursuing the other? And, if they did, would this discussion matter? I don't particularly care for people who come to a **** fight poorly armed. End of story.

[neilc]

i was under the impression that board certification was seperate from licensing, and used for granting of privleges, reimbursements, etc...as far as i know you don't need any board cert to get a license, and having one does not guarantee anything.

but, i do know that you could be a board certified bad *** surgeon, licensed in several states, and still not work in california if your school is not approved.

[jpryor]

Neil,

Take this to the bank...regardless of what these weenies say...if you are Board Certified, you MUST have a very Strong negative mark on your record for any state to deny your licensure. I would hazard a guess that the majority of the people posting to this forum are clueless when it comes to the actual practice of medicine. Being somewhat new to this forum I will say this...if you are BOARD CERTIFIED in your specialty you will be granted licensure, regardless of what school, color, creed, religion or sexual preference you have. It is the GOLD STANDARD that all health care practitioners seek to achieve and no medical licensing authority ignores it. To any that say otherwise...step up to the plate...prove this to be a lie and I will eat my words. I suspect that people aren't reading licensure regulations correctly. There's a fairly strong barrier to poseurs getting licensed. Becoming Board Certified in your specialty..your're good to go in any state. You can also practice in multiple states, if you choose. I've been there..done that, as have many of the actual health care providers I've known and these jokers on this forum who allege different either aren't health care professionals, are imposters or are just out in left field. But don't take my word for it. Go talk to any actual Board Certified physician and leave these children to their postings.

[stephew]

Originally Posted by agnostic

Schurly not, Stephew!

A last i can saye im in aggreemeent with the good woerk of Azskeptic. He helpd Iswiltshire to a void too bad schools and he helpd me with my spelinng.

Major in ye olde English there, big guy?

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by stephew

you think spritied talk means folks are thinking? When you reread some posts, don't you think it means exactly the opposite?

as long as it isn't personal attacks.....attacking the issue with spirit is fine.

[teratos]

It doesn't. If you go to spartan and become board certified in the field of your choice, you still CANNOT ever practice in CA (except in the VA system). You are not fully licensed out of med school, and most states will not license IMG's until 2 or even 3 years of residency. I have a difficult time believeing that you have been licensed for over 30 years. Of course, the anonymity of the internet allows people to say whatever they want. So, Signing off from the International Space station......(Oh, wait, I don't post anon!)