Read about UHSA's thoughts that there is an Educational Terr

[azskeptic]

http://www.uhsa.ag/oic/

[lswiltshire]

It seems that the consumer advocates, and ex UHSA students sending the joke leadership folk at UHSA so crazy that they now running a new web page in the hope of counteracting the sustained criticism heaped on UHSA.

But UHSA is real amazing. After a Dr Mark C (probably not his real name) was trying to defend them by lauding thier program, UHSA are trying to disassociate with him, after Mark's posts were debunked at http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/...eid=1075758899 and http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/...eid=1075760210 I can not for the life of me understand why UHSA is telling us all about the new schools that are scheduled to start in Antigua soon. After all what has the tardyness of the Antiguan government to finish the new hospital, and the start up of the two schools have to do with the very poor performance of UHSA over the last 21 years?

Something adverse is obviously happening at UHSA. Thier new web page http://www.uhsa.ag/oic/auamed/index.html gives a hint of panic and paranoia at that already unhealthy institution. They are very defensive all of a sudden, and catching at every straw put on these fora. They can not see that they are not helping themselves with thier silly posts. The more silly things they post, the more thier junk will be debunked.It looks bad for them. They are really making themselves look silly. Do they really expect people to waste time to open large PDF files?

UHSA would be wise to take a leaf out of IUHS' book. You dont see the IUHS administration or thier current students stupidly calling attention to themselves by putting silly posts on the fora, to recieve another bashing. UHSA is really making itself look silly. At the same time it is good entertainment, so I should probably keep quiet so that I can have more fun and games tomorrow.

I recently met one of thier ex students who has transferred, he tells me the reason things are no better at UHSA is because it is after all just another a Nigerian scam.

[lswiltshire]

I found this on http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/156286 It is very funny. It is put here for all to enjoy. When one considers the length that these schools are going to get students one wonders how good these schools really are.

There are a number of posts today February 7 2004 on http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/156286 by Dr. Mark C., DO, MD(PM&R) and on the Carribbean Medical Students forum which indicates that this chap might have loss his marbles or/and that he is more than a fraud.

UHSA talks about educational terrorists. UHSA produces them it seems. Despite the fact that they denounce him as one of thier graduates Dr. Mark C., DO, MD(PM&R) insists that he is a graduate of UHSA and that UHSA is one of the better programs out there for Problem Base Learning. Having been to UHSA my self I know for a fact that the teaching at UHSA is not by PBL, but that the teaching is didactic and a poor crash course program.

UHSA itself admits on its webpage that "The participants attend classes for 4 weeks in Antigua every 3 months during an 18-month period for Basic Sciences." I have personally attended such lousy classes myself.
Dr Mark C if you are not paid by UHSA or one of thier grads, it is obvious that you are a very poor servant of IUHS. UHSA does not push PBL--- IUHS does.

You are correct when you say that TOP MEDICAL SCHOOLS are now offering PBLs as part of the medical curriculum. But niether IUHS or UHSA are TOP MEDICAL SCHOOLS- not even tops in the offshore Carribbean scene. Even you in another post advised students to go to ROSS AUC SGU SABA etc

Are you demented? Have you lost your mind or your memory? Either you forget what you have written before or you dont have the sense to check back to see what you have written previously.
How can an honest person counsel a prospective medical student to look at IUHS and UHSA programs (or any program) REGARDLESS OF LICENSURE REQUIREMENTS.

The point that has already made on these posts about IUHS and UHSA being schools that are PRIMARILY interested only in separating folk from thier money is certainly coroborated by the this howler below >>>>>>>>> If you have the money ie $40,000 US funds, then go a head, it is a smart investment regardless...

In addition Dr. Mark C.wilfully ignores, or is wilfully ignorant of the fact that there are many more than two states that will not register these two schools. Clearly it is timer that ALL the medical boards come to a unanimous decision in refusing to license grads from BOTH of these schools.

Dr. Mark C's nonsense is copied below to facilitate your acess to this hilarious nonsense. It is clear that some one at one of these schools has gone stark raving mad. It seems that these schools are desperate for students, especially with the increasing competition caused by the advent of a plethora of new schools.

Truth about UHSA, IUHS & IVIMED
by Dr. Mark C., DO, MD(PM&R) (no login)
All these schools offer a great program to health care professionals whom obtained a doctorate degree in a health discipline, DO,DC, DPMs etc...The program are real, time consuming and require the doctor to actually follow MDs and do clinicals under supervision,(in most hospitals,) I am a graduate of UHSA and it is one of the better programs out there for Problem Base Learning.....Most of the top medical schools are now offering PBLs as part of the medical curriculum. I encourage prospective medical students to take a good look at these programs, regardless of licensure requirements they offer a great academic program to enhance ones medical knowledge. If you have the money ie $40,000 US funds, then go a head, it is a smart investment regardless...

Dr. Mark C, DO, MD(PM&R)
Posted on Feb 7, 2004, 9:05 AM
UHSA/IUHS MD degrees
by Dr. Mark C (no login)
These are real schools offering real MDs, with some jurisdiction limitations, CA, IN are the only 2 states that are really a hussle to most IMGs anyways......I am a DO, MD graduated from UHSA and it is a real program, I am a licensed DO, in CA DO=MD so for me it does not make a difference.....
However in most world jurisdictions it is as equivalent as most MD schools

Dr. Mark C, DO, MD (PM&R)
Posted on Feb 7, 2004, 8:39 AM

this post below is on Carribbean Medical Students forum
IUHS IS A GREAT ACADEMIC PROGRAM, SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN UHSA, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, HOWEVER IS EXPENSIVE IN THE LONG RUN, SINCE SOME STATES DO NOT ACCEPT THE PROGRAM FOR LICENSURE. THIS IS POLITICAL AND IN MY OPINION DOES NOT MAKES SENSE SINCE THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IS SIMILAR IN ALL MED SCHOOL, YOU LEARN THE SAME WAY, EVENTUALLY YOU LEARN FROM YOUR CLINICALS REGARDLESS OF THE BASIC SCIENCES......GOOD SCHOOLS TO CONSIDER ARE SABA, ROSS, ST.GEORGE & AUC.......THEY HAVE GOOD TRACK RECORDS WHEN IT COMES TO OBTAINING LICENSURES IN NORTH AMERICA, HOWEVER WITH SOME DIFFICULTIES. I SUGGEST YOU CHECK WITH THE GOVERNING BODY OF YOUR STATE PRIOR TO ENROLLMENT. MOST STATES HOWEVER DO ISSUE LICENSURE AND RESIDENCIES TO IUHS GRADUATES. AS LONG AS YOU PASS YOUR USMLE'S AND DO WELL ON YOUR CLINICALS. DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED FROM SILLY BIASED WEBSITES SUCH AS AAIMG OR BY THE FAMOUS CONSUMER ADVOCATE:

[lswiltshire]

UHSA declares that pseudo-professionals, disgruntled students, paid individuals or agencies, disgruntled previous faculty members and educational terrorists have authored unprofessional researches and rumors about its "perfect bogus, internet correspondence school." UHSA is, as you would expect, very worried about the effects of the persistence of truths presented, and widely circulated on the internet about its sham and scam programs. This is especially, because as never before, students are transferring from that school in droves, and because admissions have dwindled to a drip, as prospective students believe the truths about this schools inept programs,and its inability to get its graduates licensed since 1995.

Wheras prospective students of other schools find the Unofficial Forum published by ValueMD (Network 54) on individual schools helpful and enlightening, UHSA would like to seek to shut out the scrutinizing eyes of the world from its evils and expect us to believe only the propaganda emitted directly from the school. Like IUHS, since they can not answer truthfully the allegations made against it, UHSA who confesses to be discouraged by the effects of reports of its poor and rapidly deteriorating record has put out its " Official Information Center," which has been consistently bashed since its appearance. Here is a brief summary

President's Message It is well documented that UHSA's President is a figure head like most of the folk on thier "Board of trustees." Neither the "President" or the folk on the "Board of trustees have any part in the running of UHSA.Perusal of videos and photos taken at the 2003 graduation will show that the President was conspicuous by his absence at such an auspicious occasion. It is known that he was in Antigua at the time, but refused to turn up after seeing evidence of forgeries of his signature by the owner of the school. If UHSA's President avoids the school, should not everyone else? There are better schools on all the islands including U Guyana Med school.

AAIMG Many believe that the criteria for evaluating a school and AAIMG"s word of wisdom are sound. Though must folk who attend bad schools hate AAIMG, UHSA's ex students admit that everything that AAIMG says about UHSA is exactly true.

Penn. State Board Most people do not believe this nonsense.
Medical Board of California
Most people know that California and other states has banned UHSA, and we thank UHSA for at least admitting it. There are several other states that reject UHSA.

Conspiracy of Virginia Norris
We dont care two hoots about this so called conspiracy. This is very puerile and pitiful. Many Caribbean Med schools were formed, and are still being formed by students and teachers leaving to form new schools. We can not understand what this so called conspiracy of Virginia Morris has to do with the poor record of UHSA or how it helps defends the truths posted about UHSA in the last 10 months or so.

"New" Medical School in Antigua (Life or Memorex?)
Now that we have seen other more up todate newspaper reports about these schools , and now that we have a better understanding of the state of health care in the islands, we see how woefully lacking you are, and how little you really understand about the role of a Med school and health care standards. After 21 years you still have not reached out to the local Medical community of either Antigua or the contiguous Carribbean countries, thereby exposing your students to medicine in the islands. You have only collected money. Yet you talk about being a pioneer.

Student Response to "Consumer Advocate"
Az skeptic has done a good job in exposing you to prospective students and to the Boards. Also this answer has been torn to bits by posters on valueMD

Who is Dr. Mark C ? He claims to be one of your own whom you denounce. Is it because he has been shown to be a liar and a farce on these fora?. Why do you denounce him? An apple does that fall far from the tree? Are we not to expect UHSA graduates to be liars like the founder of the organisation?

Antigua Chapter of AMSA Why does UHSA think that this info is helpfull to anyone who wants to make a decision about UHSA

Training Assessment of UHSA UHSA lives in the past as is very noticeable on its websites. This is a glaring example. Unfortunately its poor past is not helping it for the present, or for the future, as students are transferring and new students are not coming. A school official recently told me there is not much left here now.

I wont comment on Hidden Documentary at this time. But I have heard thru the grapevine that soon and very soon the next exciting chapter on this chap will be presented. Hold on to your seats.

Accreditation This chat about accreditation means nothing! Its useless talk! It is time that the authorities in the USA address the issue of WHO accreditation, ECFMG exam and licensing, with respect to all these internet schools.
WHO does literally nothing in setting standards for offshore medical schools other than get a letter from the government in the territory in which the school resides. Any one can rent a building, employ some inexperienced, or retired, or indifferent, or non-existent staff and get WHO approval if the country officials send a letter. This is certainly the case at UHSA, where there is only a single full time teaching person- a very aged man, and where the selection of temporary [one month contracts] staff is selected from a pool of names by a group of girls who hardly have passed thru high school.
The WHO doesn't take an interest in ANY medical schools. They just list them. WHO listing though worthless is a requirement, however, to obtain licensure in the US. Once you have established your med school, you can do almost anything without fear of WHO doing anything to the administration, such as giving MD's to your board of directors and not calling them honorary. The WHO list is no more than a phone directory. Most states don’t have enough staff members to check out each and every international school, and therefore tend to rely on this list. That is why so many bad schools have been able to get away with murder for so long-- as at UHSA.

[fannate]

If you go to http://www.uhsa.ag/oic/intro.htm you will read this junk. .
iv. UHSA’s relevance to its location was further exemplified in 2001 when it became a major founding member of the Caribbean Society of Tropical Medicine and International Health (CSTMIH). The principal interest of CSTMIH is the prevention and control of diseases that are endemic in tropical developing countries particularly in the Caribbean region. The Society has brought together researchers on tropical medicine in the Caribbean. Earlier, in the year 2000, UHSA had also established an International Center for the Advancement of Tropical Medicine (ICATM). The Center serves as UHSA’s research arm in Tropical Medicine and its principal mission is the advancement of the knowledge of Tropical Medicine in the world with special focus on the Caribbean region through research, graduate training and community service. The Center’s vision is to be relevant to the Caribbean region by bringing to the forefront the major tropical diseases on the islands and research into their control and prevention. Also building on the institution’s location in the tropical region and its extensive in Tropical Medicine. UHSA has established postgraduate programs in Tropical Medicine. These programs include the Postgraduate Diploma in Tropical Medicine (PGDTM) and the Postgraduate Diploma in Tropical Medicine and International Health Management (PGDTM&IHM). Even though globalization has made the world smaller and modern technology has made international travels easier, visiting the tropical developing world is still a health hazard to citizens or long-term residents of developed countries because of lack of the immunity and/or premunity to protect them against the pathogenic effects of tropical diseases. UHSA’s postgraduate programs in Tropical Medicine are carefully designed to enable allopathic and osteopathic physicians to improve and advance international health by making them capable of managing tropical diseases that may infect individuals or groups of people/tourists.

My attention was turned to this nonsense by an email today, and I must debunk it immediately!

As an Antiguan, and physician and researcher in the region for over 30 years, I would like to point out that there is no such organisation in the Caribbean called the Caribbean Society of Tropical Medicine and International Health (CSTMIH).

The body for the prevention and control of diseases that are endemic in in the Caribbean region is called CAREC, with headquarters in Trinidad.No conferences or meetings of Caribbean doctors have ever met in Antigua. In fact UHSA is blissfully ignorant of the annual meeting of Caribbean doctors to present the result of thier recent research.

There is no such thing as an International Center for the Advancement of Tropical Medicine (ICATM) either.

There is no research in Tropical Medicine being conducted at UHSA, and never has been, except for one study by Prof OO Dipeolu. Perusal of the relevant Indices and the literature will reveal that UHSA is again demonstration delusions of grandeur.

There is no research, graduate training at UHSA and UHSA provides no community service to Antigua. Nor has UHSA established postgraduate programs in Tropical Medicine as stated. If you want to study Tropical Medicine apply for the DTM&H at University of London. It is one of the best programs available.

If the Carribean had to wait for UHSA "to be relevant to the Caribbean region by bringing to the forefront the major tropical diseases on the islands and research into their control and prevention" the Caribbean people would all be long dead. Please note that their have been many Caribbean doctors like Sir Maurice Byer, and Sir Kenneth Standard, who have long done the pioneering work in the islands to elucidate the aetiology of the major tropical diseases on the islands and have done the work that has contributed to their control and prevention. At UWI rotations in Social & Preventive Medicine and also in Community Medicine allerts the students of these issues. The students visit with the Public Health Officers in the Islands to view and solve current issues. Such programs and teaching has been implemented long before attempts to extablish the bogus medical ?????school called UHSA.

UHSA has still to show its relevance to Antigua, in the way that ROSS has in Dominica, or SGU in Grenada and St Vincent. We are not holding our breaths for this to happen in Antigua, because we know there is no vision at UHSA. It has not happened in 21 years. We know it can not and will not happen now.

With respect to "UHSA established the University Technology Park (UTP) at its Dowhill Campus in 1995 and also became a member of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO) in whose bulletin the University’s name is listed. The University Technology Park was established by UHSA in order to bring researchers from various parts of the world together. Subsequently, UHSA secured an affiliation with Savannah University in the U.S.A. for the purpose of training and joint collaborative research in the field of Medical Biotechnology. UHSA has also been a member of the Academy for the Promotion of International Culture and Scientific Exchange (APICS) since 1997. The purpose of the Academy for the Promotion of International Culture and Scientific Exchange (APICS) is to promote the advancement of science and international cultural exchange. A major criterion for membership of APICS is that the University must be recognized by the Government of the country in which it is based through the Ministry of Education. Members of APICS are recognized by the United States Department of Education in terms of which US students may receive US Government funding for their education in a University which has APICS membership."

The facts are that they are no Biochemists or Biotechnologists at UHSA, and all the rhetoric above is just lies and further evidence of delusiojns of grandeur by an illiterate. That any one will try to influence prospective students by these means indicates that they are really educational terrorists at UHSA. We urge you to recognize UHSA for what it is. A poor school that is cash strapped, with no ideas of how to proceed, after failing miserably for 21 years. CAVEAT EMPTOR.

[medman]

UHSA is after all just another a Nigerian scam.

How can a medical school that has been running for about 20 years be a scam. You must be dim or stupid (you pick ).

Don't give an organization or company (Anything) a bad brand just because its run by someone of from a particular country (nigeria). Thats just plain racist .

[jenn-jenn]

Unlike you Madman, I went top school there and I interacted with the akande!

If you think its not a scam you pay your money and go there

[Japhethi]

Originally Posted by jenn-jenn

Unlike you Madman, I went top school there and I interacted with the akande!

If you think its not a scam you pay your money and go there

hehe, agree with that one.

WOW, you actually have been there?? I have never (up to this date) ever met anyone that went to this scam institution.

I agree totally here.

If anyone aeso much dying to stand up for these ridiculous bogus institutions then they should go ahead and attend there.

Just like You I had a bad experience with a scam school (Windsor University) and it is amazing that people still go there instead of just paying the EC$20 for the ferry to Nevis to check MUA out. They even pay less for tuiton there and the school actually have graduates IN residency programs.

The funny thing here;

MUA was opened AFTER Windsor University.

The classic comment from Windsorites, "this is new school, you should give it time and it will grow".

With the current pace of "development" there will be a 4 seasons resort on Thule Airbase in Northern Greenland before we have a licensed physician from Windsor university.

[dt]

Originally Posted by Japhethi

...
The funny thing here;

MUA was opened AFTER Windsor University.

The classic comment from Windsorites, "this is new school, you should give it time and it will grow".

...

MUA chartered in 1998.
Windsor chartered in 2000.

Check here: http://imed.ecfmg.org/results.asp?co...name=&psize=25

[medman]

MUA was opened AFTER Windsor University.

The classic comment from Windsorites, "this is new school, you should give it time and it will grow".

With the current pace of "development" there will be a 4 seasons resort on Thule Airbase in Northern Greenland before we have a licensed physician from Windsor university.

Nice one Japhethi, you were caught is you own ** .