International Medical School of America

[kingkong]

First of all, I want to say that the former employees mentioned should be quite complimented that they aren't being considered for future employment by IMSA. I would be embarrassed if they were complimenting my attitude, vision, or dreams as aligning with their own. Very embarrassed.


But what I really want to write about is why I think that SPSOM/IMSA failed so completely in less than a year. This little computer joke sums it up pretty well.

I was having trouble with my computer. So I called Howard, the computer guy, to come over. Howard clicked a couple of buttons and solved the problem. He gave me a bill for a minimum service call. As he was walking away, I called after him, "So, what was wrong?" He replied, "It was an ID ten T error."

I didn't want to appear stupid, but nonetheless inquired, "An ID ten T error? What's that. in case I need to fix it again?" Harold grinned.... "Haven't you ever heard of an ID ten T error before?" "No," I replied. "Write it down," he said, "and I think you'll figure it out." So I wrote down. I D 1 0 T

SPSOM/IMSA failed so completely in less than a year because of much MORE THAN a couple of ID ten T errors:

1- The CEO did not know how to run a medical school, and he failed to hire a person who knew how to do so. Read the history of the origin of Ross as an example.

2- The CEO hired a Dean who could not run a medical school either. He was arrogant, unapproachable and was totally out of touch with what should be taught, or in which order. He was exposed on valueueMd as a liar and to be inefficient. He got over 100K for his incompetence and a one year contract.

3-The Dean copied a curriculum from another school totally in cognizant that it was the most expensive way to present the material for the USMLE step 1 exam giving the amount of money available to run the program. This person set up a program in which none of the accepted subjects of the Basic science program in normal medical schools were completed; thus making it impossible for any student enrolling at SPSOM/IMSA from transferring to any other medical school on the globe.

4- Recent disclosures from ex-high ranking officers of the school who were close to the decision making at the school, (though AFTER the major damage done by the Dean/Chief Academic Officer was done) reveal that the CEO displayed great deception in the information stated on their website, and in his grandiose projections of enrollment and thus profits to the shareholders of the LLC set up to fleece the unsuspecting applicants to the school.

5- We have also heard in great detail concerning the ID ten T errors committed in attempting to boost enrolment via the Texas Swing and other measures. The result was that by April only 12 students in all were ever enrolled in the two schools. One of these students quit on the first day of classes.

6- We read the unmerciful bashing of the response by Dean Shirt to the Cooks DIB when they decided that SPSOM was not a bona fide business. Soon after the IMSA students were sent home, as IMSA went into the business of “home medical schooling.”

7- IMSA offended a person called Prausnitz who had really been hot on their trail, or should I say "tail" in a simple and slow or periodic way. The more they insulted this person, the more inside and background information about IMSA was revealed! That was a major ID ten T error committed by IMSA in the last two months! This person has focused on the issue which is to warn prospective/ potential students and teachers and deflect a good number of them away from the GuanoCollege.

The major ID ten T error committed by IMSA in the last two months has been the pathetic posts presented by their preposterous prophets Witzi, The Revealer, Ztruth and vivaimsa, all of whom are in the same league. None of them are able to contribute anything to our discussion. No new insights at all. No rebuttal. No data that would change what we think.

NOTHING AT ALL.

It seems that the one thing they like to do, is to blame anyone and everyone who used to be employed by them, for their troubles! They truly think that the posts on valuemd are the very things that “got them off to a slow start”. When in fact, they “cleaned house” at the end of last year, by getting rid of or running off, apparently the only experienced people in the organization who could think and speak clearly and intelligently! Now how’s that for shooting yourself in the foot!?! Now all they have are witzis, vivaimsas, and ztruths representing their organization! So if it was off to a slow start over 2 years ago… I wouldn’t exactly describe it today as “a slow start”, it seems rather, that it is now enduring a “slow end”…!!

Originally Posted by VivaIMSA!

P.S. I understand that IMSA is looking for highy qualified professors who want to teach at the Jose Bernardo Gutierrez de Lara. Please contact them ASAP!
Sorry, to the three disgruntled ex-employee: Don't bother to apply! You don't have the right attitude, VISION NOR DREAM!!!!!!!!

[ztruth]

TO kING AND WILT,

• Your collaboration and patience is appreciated
• JBGL could not have done it without your critical remarks
• Now that the charter is under the belt, they will continue to correct all the past errors committed
• It has been a few weeks of waiting, but it was worth it !!!
• Please continue to point out in what manner they can serve you and all their future students better.
  

yes, it may sound sarcastic, but I mean it. Have a nice day ........

[lswiltshire]

King Kong wont be coming to your school again, so you wont get a chance to serve King Kong.

Do you realize that by your remarks that you reveal that your critics were indeed telling the truth, and that you did not know how to run a medical school?

Do you realize that by your remarks that you admit that the Dean you hired to run your school was inefficient, and should bare the criticisms for your failure?

Do you realize that by your remarks that you admit that errors were committed by your sham school?

Do you realize that by your remarks that you admit that you are learning so much about how to run your school from the same one who your alter ego, or associate viva loves to try to discredit.

Do you realize that the information that we wanted to get through to the jury- i.e prospective students- has gone across very clearly, and that your silly attempt at sarcasm has merely served to corroborate what we have said along!

Do you really think that you poor attempt at reverse psychology will deter me from telling the truth.

Do you really think that any one believes you have charter? If you had you would be shouting it from the house tops.

Do you really think you can have a successful school with only seven students. Well you need at least X students to be viable.


Prospective students, unless a school has X students, it will not generate enough funds to pay the required number of teachers to teach all the courses required for you to get a sound education. The charter is step one. That should never have been an issue, since it should have been obtained before operations began, not after running pitifully for a year before sending home the students after failure.

Step 2 is attracting X paying students. Prospective students while IMSA JBGL is working up to that point, if you really want to live in the US and go to school in Mexico just go to Universidad Xochicalco. They have a campus in Tijuana and it's just 15 minutes into Mexico. It is a REAL medical school. Fully approved in all states and tuition is just $10,000 a year for international students. Go there for 2 years take USMLE and transfer into an island school that does its clinicals in the US or stay there for 4 years and do the fifth-pathway program. $40,000 for 4 years on the US border sounds pretty good and you can live in San Diego, CA and commute.

UACJ, Ciudad Juarez. Across the border from El Paso, cheaper than crossing the border from California, that is if you decide to move to California to do this. Just like Xochicalco tuition and all that, fully approved etc. Universidad Xochicalco is a private school and allow anyone with the money in.

[lswiltshire]

NUGGETS FROM THE FIRST 10 PAGES OF THIS THREAD FOR LATE COMERS PART 3
Those who are really thinking about applying to work at IMSA-JBGL there ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS you need to know
A- You might have to teach consistently out of your preferred subject area or specialty.
B- Note carefully that the ad states that the school is in Texas, but the school IMSA [also called Jose Bernardo Gutierrez de Lara (JBGL)] is located in Nuevo Ciudad Guerrero just across the Texas/Mexico border.

That the school is registered in Texas means that you are hired under Texas law. However, you will in effect be working in Mexico. You will be working OUTSIDE OF THE US. Hence you will not be operating under TEXAS or US LAW. If they terminate you illegally with out proper cause you will have no recourse. From the time you tell the lawyers you were working outside of the USA, they tell you, that you have no recourse; no legal rights. So you will then have to seek legal representation in Mexico. Just note that carefully!
Note also they will lure you to Texas and then when you ask about your contract, they will tell you there is no contract to tender, and that you have an “at will contract.” In other words, they can dismiss you at will!...... and they will!” (see extract from email below)
9/27/06
Dear Dr B

3. Re: contract. Your employment is classified "at will" so there is no contract to tender. Terms are outlined in the offer letter that was sent and you returned via email. We can sit down and talk about this and the housing terms next week as well.
Saludos,

ELD MD
C-The management of IMSA have not been inclined to tender written, legally binding contracts to those who came to work for them in the past, why do you think that they will do differently this time around?

Everyone who has worked for IMSA-JBGL in the past (except Dean Duck)
have worked at the will and pleasure of the IMSA management and had neither Texas nor Mexican guarantees. For instance, neither I or the DO prof were enrolled in the Mexican Social Security System during his tenure at IMSA, and that was in violation of Mexican law. And Texas is hostile to labor, even academic labor. When you are fired you WILL NOT GET ANY SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS.


When you work at IMSA you will have no guarantees of any kind, because you will be actually discharging your duties under the tutelage, and in the installations, of a Mexican entity which is named Med School Group AC, but which is "entirely" different from Med School Group LLC of Zapata, Texas that employs you.

In fact, if IMSA are following Mexican law they do not own the Mexican entity. (Read again the documents on the FLIMSY website; all of this is there, if you care to find it.)

[lswiltshire]

NUGGETS FROM THE FIRST 10 PAGES OF THIS THREAD FOR LATE COMERS PART 4

One wonders if the current staff will get” AT WILL CONTACTS” OR REAL CONTRACTS THIS TIME.

One wonders also if the current staff will have to fill out a form every weekend to tell administration what they do with every hour of their day 24 hours daily seven days weekly.
One wonders also if the current staff will have the opportunity of the freedom to do what they need to do to develop the program, or if the professors will again face the laughable situation of being dictated by persons who nothing about education.

One wonders also if there will be staff meetings and real proper organization this time around. Do you know that in the 5 months I taught in these “institutions” there was never once a staff meeting, and basically there was no real proper organization? Can you understand that any attempt to bring order to the situation was thwarted at every attempt by the Diotrophetic E mail Dean ? Everything was dictated to you by email or phone.One wonders also if the Chief academic officer and the Chief Executive Officer will be around for discussions with the staff more than once monthly. Can you believe that during the course of the 5 months I taught in these “institutions” that I met the Chief academic officer only five times?One wonders also ifthe Chief academic officer will know the Mexican Program this time around? (After all the new teachers are Deans and staff from Caribbean schools and all over the USA according to ztruth.) Could it be that it will be as it was before which caused LSW to say Can you believe that the Chief academic officer claimed to be following a tried and true curriculum from another school, but yet both students and teachers never saw a copy of this curriculum. (Oh by the way, the Chief academic officer was also the Curriculum Committee.) …….. the Chief academic officer saw a program he liked, but his ignorance, arrogance and inexperience did not enable him to copy it properly.
Tell me ztruth, will you guys be againrunning a circus side show again?

Will your staff be able to answer the students questions about what would happen next? Will they have the freedom to set e4xams as they wish?

Will you again have as your lead faculty a DO with three years experience prior to being disbarred by the Texas Medical board for abusing drugs.

Will you again have ONLY TWO TEACHERS?

Will you again have a single one door classroom with no library, or other resources?.


Has this situation improved? Why are we not seeing evidence of this posted on their website? Prospective students CAVEAT EMPTOR!
Will you again have teachers who do not know what they ought to be teaching or who do not know how to expose the students to either the QUALITY or QUANITY of material needed to pass the USMLE step 1 exam.


Will you again have teachers who give the students every question on the exam paper or who can cancell classes for the day……just so or who will ask the students (including big married men in their late thirties and forties with children) to go in the school yard and put up Christmas decorations in class time.

Will you again have your Chief Academic Officer, to ran the school from his home in San Antonio by email and telephone (while working at a second job and building his house



Caveat Magistri. Just as a leopard can not change his spots, unethical incompetent folk do not learn new tricks.

And if anyone chooses to go and teach there, on the basis of what is promised in the Chronicle's advertisement:

- where is that person going to do research and construct a niche?

The only space available for laboratories and offices at the place where IMSA-JBGL is operating are the toilets. Note that the three story building seen on the website - is not connected to utilities (such as the gas, electricty and water usually found in labs), nor does its rooms have any windows. There is no way that any basic science research can be done here.
CAVEAT MAGISTRI. Get someone to explain the "legal documents" on the school’s website, upon which the school’s operation is based.

CAVEAT MAGISTRI, IMSA JBGL IS A NIGHTMARE FOR THE 7 STUDENTS WHO HAVE ENROLLED AND PAID, AND IT HAS BEEN, AND REMAINS A NIGHTMARE FOR ANY GENUINE ACADEMICIAN WHO GOES THERE TO "ESTABLISH A NICHE."

Yeah, a real dead end niche. CAVEAT MAGISTRI

Beware prospective students. Without good teachers, or teachers who can be fired at will, or who can leave at will, because they do not like the country or conditions in which they are working, you can not be ever sure of getting a proper education.

You will be soon sent home to study alone again just as this group of students have had to do. You will be dismissed having wasted time and resources as the students in the Cooks were forced to do.

ztruth will now come and tell you that all the above is not true, and never happened. He will give you assurances that this will not happen again.

Ask him to show on their website the names and qualifications of all the deans and professors that are coming from the Carribean to teach in this desolate deserted dump!

[ztruth]

TO ALL CRITICS AND ALL READERS,

• Your collaboration and patience is appreciated
• JBGL could not have done it without your critical remarks
• Now that the charter is under the belt, they will continue to correct all the past errors committed
• It has been a few weeks of waiting, but it was worth it !!!
• Please continue to point out in what manner they can serve you and all their future students better.
  

Have a nice day ........

[kingkong]

Hey viva and imsa, you forgot to mention the charter on your website!! You know, on the homepage where it still stays,

"Three countries, two schools one dream" as your motto? The one that still says:


IMSA is the authorized branch campus of the South Pacific School of Medicine (SPSOM) and has the appropriate authority to operate in Mexico and grant degrees of its parent SPSOM. For information see the website of SPSOM. SPSOM

Or are you announcing your "big news" on valuemd first? Wow, now I bet that's never been done before by any school in the world.

You say you all are learning from critical remarks on the forum? I honestly don't think you've learned a thing!

NO viable medical school would have ztruths and vivas posting pictures of snakes, hurling personal insults, and meaningless banter, then first announce some "charter under the belt" on that same forum!! (and we do believe you about a charter (wink wink!) )

How impressed we are... that you have all displayed such a fine example of how NOT to start and operate and a medical school!

PS Oh, and your only calendar on your website still notes the year of 2006, beginning with July. Is this primarily for your currently enrolled students, because they will have to "re-live" 2006 since they didn't get an education the first time around?

[VivaIMSA!]

Poor disgruntled guys!
Readers, just note their attitude and their will to distroy. Nothing will ever satisfy them more than to see JGBDL go down. But remember, God is the one in control; NOT YOU AND YOUR EAGERNESS TO DESTROY!!!!!
The more you write, the more that you reveal your inner, personal and horrible motives.

[kingkong]

Whatever, viva. Deflection, martyrdom, projection, whatever your thing is, it doesn’t change “what is”.

When you are able to prove that students are going to get the medical education for which they must pay their hard-earned money, that is when we will stop warning and instead, put in a good word for the positive changes we’re seeing. When your website reflects your good intentions, instead of remaining dormant – with the exception of one letter by the CEO which is now outdated – we will begin to reassess. When you come to the table with some evidence of your program, your teachers, the curriculum… we will begin to reassess. When you talk specifics instead of generalizing, we will all listen. When you post pictures, you come across as, well, I’m not sure what.

Do you really think that by speaking out on valuemd, it is “destroying” imsa/jbgdl?! You have shot yourselves in the foot so many times I don’t see how you’re still walking!! And in fact, you’re not… you’re limping along, I guess hoping for a miracle. It may not personally be your fault, but you are being asked to create something out of nothing. You are being asked to create a medical school with a history of failures and a very poor reputation. Everyone who knew anything last year was fired or let go. You are being asked to create a medical school with no students or teachers. Yes, you need a miracle and more than a few of them I would think.

Personally, I could care less what happens with JBGDL… go sell lemonade and make millions at it, who cares, as long as people are getting what they’re paying for.

What matters is warning prospective students about a bad deal going on down there with a medical school that has a proven track record of failure and no light at the end of the tunnel is yet in sight.

[VivaIMSA!]

Your questions will all be answered...all in given time, all in given time. For those who do not believe that JBGDL is doing well, then please check with reliable sources. Don't believe the DISGRUNTLED EX-EMPLOYEES!!!!!!