Applying for a Residency in the USA -a most interesting webs

[A.H.]

The match rate for US-IMGS is far higher than for true FMGs. An ECFMG-certified US-IMG won't have any trouble finding a spot, whereas many a true FMG go years and years w/o matching.

[Beaker]

Originally Posted by A.H.

The match rate for US-IMGS is far higher than for true FMGs. An ECFMG-certified US-IMG won't have any trouble finding a spot, whereas many a true FMG go years and years w/o matching.

a.h., u might be right, but the stats tell a different story, which is the main point. they say that the numbers r about the same, with a slight edge towards fmgs vs usimgs. i think we're just trying to find out why?

researchingguy has a decent theory, but i think theres more to it. there r many fmgs who r very well educated (probably better than lots of usimgs) in places like the uk, ireland, australia, germany, france, japan and other places. not all fmgs r educated in 2nd rate schools in 3rd world countries, but some are. same thing goes for usimgs. its too bad they lump all usimgs together and they lump all fmgs together coz it doesnt really give the real picture.

researchingguy, the prematch was supposed to end with last yrs match, but it was extended a yr so they can address all the complaints. this match is supposed to be the last yr that its allowed, unless they get another extension or its reversed. the prematch is a great thing for usimgs and will hurt us all if its removed. it seems like it takes too much power away from the match and their lobby groups seem to be winning the battle. but its just another hurldle that we all need to pass on the way to the finish line. just study hard and things should work out

[Nebakanezer]

Originally Posted by Beaker

a.h., u might be right, but the stats tell a different story, which is the main point. they say that the numbers r about the same, with a slight edge towards fmgs vs usimgs. i think we're just trying to find out why?

researchingguy has a decent theory, but i think theres more to it. there r many fmgs who r very well educated (probably better than lots of usimgs) in places like the uk, ireland, australia, germany, france, japan and other places. not all fmgs r educated in 2nd rate schools in 3rd world countries, but some are. same thing goes for usimgs. its too bad they lump all usimgs together and they lump all fmgs together coz it doesnt really give the real picture.

researchingguy, the prematch was supposed to end with last yrs match, but it was extended a yr so they can address all the complaints. this match is supposed to be the last yr that its allowed, unless they get another extension or its reversed. the prematch is a great thing for usimgs and will hurt us all if its removed. it seems like it takes too much power away from the match and their lobby groups seem to be winning the battle. but its just another hurldle that we all need to pass on the way to the finish line. just study hard and things should work out

They are killing off the pre-match? I thought that was just rumor?

[studentMD]

At one point the information below was on the NRMP site (nrmp.org)
I dont know where they have archived it... but these were the two releases from the NRMP

The first statement was:

Uniformity in Operating Principles and Procedures for all Participants

For a number of years, the most talked about NRMP issue is the lack of uniformity in the NRMP rules of participation between independent applicants and U.S. medical school senior applicants. As it presently stands, unlike U.S. seniors who must use the NRMP matching process to secure a training position, independent applicants may seek positions through the Match and may also seek positions outside of the NRMP matching process. The Board of Directors has considered this issue for several years and has engaged many of your program director organizations as well as the Organization of Program Director Associations.

The NRMP Board of Directors, at its November 2001 meeting passed the following motion:

"Beginning with the 2004 Match, all sponsoring institutions participating in the NRMP Main Match must register and attempt to fill all their positions in the Match except for those specialties or programs participating in other national matching programs."

The 2004 start date was established to permit the NRMP to work with institutions, program director organizations, and the OPDA to develop a process to carry out this new directive in a fair and reasoned manner. The new rule addresses the present inequality in NRMP procedures from the perspective of those who are in control of the selection - institutions and programs. Beginning in 2004, institutions and programs participating in the Match will not be permitted to fill any of their positions outside the Match, e.g., have some positions in the Match and fill other positions outside the Match. Therefore, programs will not be permitted to fill positions with independent applicants outside the Match.

The NRMP looks forward to working with program director organizations and institutions in its efforts to achieve consistency in the policies and procedures associated with the matching process.

and then this was the news release of the DELAY

NRMP - National Resident Matching Program

New Rule Delay
At its May 12, 2003 meeting, the National Resident Matching Program (NRMP) Board of Directors voted to delay implementation of the new NRMP rule previously scheduled to become effective with the 2004 Main Match. The rule would have required all institutions that register for the Main Match to place all their residency programs and positions in the Match.
The delay in implementation is the result of recommendations and comments received over the past eighteen months from NRMP participating institutions, programs, program director organizations, medical schools, and applicants. The Board will study the effects of three major issues:
1) changes in the processing and timely acquisition of visas for international medical graduates
2) limiting the rule to PGY1 positions
3) making the rule program-based rather than institution-based, e.g., all programs (not institutions) registered for the Main Match must place all their positions in the Match

[Nebakanezer]

I wonder how long the delay for the New Rules will be? My guess: 1 year, so Match 2005.

[studentMD]

I guess we will find out from the NRMP meeting this spring.

[Miklos]

NRMP - National Resident Matching Program

New Rule Delay
At its May 12, 2003 meeting, the National Resident Matching Program (NRMP) Board of Directors voted to delay implementation of the new NRMP rule previously scheduled to become effective with the 2004 Main Match. The rule would have required all institutions that register for the Main Match to place all their residency programs and positions in the Match.
The delay in implementation is the result of recommendations and comments received over the past eighteen months from NRMP participating institutions, programs, program director organizations, medical schools, and applicants. The Board will study the effects of three major issues:
1) changes in the processing and timely acquisition of visas for international medical graduates
2) limiting the rule to PGY1 positions
3) making the rule program-based rather than institution-based, e.g., all programs (not institutions) registered for the Main Match must place all their positions in the Match

I think the real reason that the rule change is being delayed is that at present the NRMP is facing an anti-trust challenge in court. Changing the rules in order to expand their monopoly position while the case is in court is plainly stupid, as it gives the plaintiffs more 'firepower'. I suspect that the NRMP's legal team helped them figure this out. The reasons above, I think, are no more than PR window dressing.

Anyone think otherwise?

Miklos