QATAR?

[pitman]

Weill is expected to be as difficult to get into (for a non-Qatari) as Cornell in NYC. The end result *will* be a diploma from Cornell, and the affiliation will remain tight (think 'branch' rather than 'school').

Other ivy's are also considering opening their own schools internationally. Partly depends on how successful Cornell is in its bid to have its American Qatari grads considered AMGs. Even if they aren't, Cornell at least has the connections to make res. happen (sort of like Columbia + Ben Gurion, but tighter).

Qatar is not extreme and is stable. Hell, I considered going to Israel for med school so who am i to assess your sense of security

-pitman

[stephew]

Originally Posted by pitman

The end result *will* be a diploma from Cornell, and the affiliation will remain tight (think 'branch' rather than 'school').

-pitman

No. you will be viewed as a foreign grad. No program director will be fooled. This may be the fantasy of those setting up the program, but any student who thinks they will walk shoulder to shoulder next to the cornell grads in the eyes of program directors is in for a disappointment.

[teratos]

The school will not be chartered in the US. So it is not a US school. G

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by pitman

Weill is expected to be as difficult to get into (for a non-Qatari) as Cornell in NYC. The end result *will* be a diploma from Cornell, and the affiliation will remain tight (think 'branch' rather than 'school').

Other ivy's are also considering opening their own schools internationally. Partly depends on how successful Cornell is in its bid to have its American Qatari grads considered AMGs. Even if they aren't, Cornell at least has the connections to make res. happen (sort of like Columbia + Ben Gurion, but tighter).

Qatar is not extreme and is stable. Hell, I considered going to Israel for med school so who am i to assess your sense of security

-pitman

The first hint to your residency director will be your requirement to meet the foreign med requirements. It is sort of like people who do residencies at Mayos in Rochestor or in Des Moines Illinois....which one is considered Mayos? Most people don't think of the Mayos Hospital in Des Moines as being Mayos.....

[dt]

The first thing to notice when you go to their webpage, http://www.med.cornell.edu/qatar/ , at the top right of the banner, it says "A branch of...".

When one gets a transcript from Cornell, does it state every location one studied in? I know my university transcript and diploma did not, even though they had "branches".

A diploma from Cornell med school may mean that one do not have to go through ECFMG? Someone should ask them. (I'll may ask them later after the holidays.)

[stephew]

while i must forewarn that there are always limits in these things, nevertheless heres a parallel or two:

Methodist hosptial in Bkyn is a Cornell affiliate. Being a resident there does not make you a grad of "Cornell" proper; same with the excellent NOrwalk hospital of CT- Yale affiliate; you aren't a Yale doc if you work there. You are affiliated with Yale, but quite a different type of program. There's nothing wrong with these programs but its different in standing.

So too this branch in Qatar may very well be a high quality education. But no one is going to mistake a grad from there with a grad from Cornell east side.

And by the by a few years ago everyone was soooo excited for Ross to have a campus in Wyoming. Never went through but had it, it still would not have made ross a us school. SImilarly, SGU has an affiliate with seton hall in NJ. Bet you didn't know that; because the school doesnt try to pretend this affiliation makes grads anything other than an IMG.

You ask the right questions, but until it pans out otherwise, grads of Cornell in Qatar must accept that they are and will be seen as IMGs and not grads of a US school, certainly come residency time. GOing in with any other expectation is wishful thinking. More power to them if I prove to be wrong in the long run, but it would be a shame for any student to let their wishful thinking color their understanding of the dynamics of medical education.

[dr_dre]

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[pitman]

Stephew, I think your analogies are off -- Weill in Qatar is not an affiliate, it's a *part* of Cornell, legally, curriculum-wise, professor-wise, and in most every other way. The degree *will* say Cornell, because that is where the student will graduate from. By design. It's not a matter of semantics, but really only of campus location. So I'm not sure even what it would mean "to mistake a grad from there with a grad from Cornell east side", even if the LCME somehow decides not to accredit just one part of The medical school.

No one stands to be "fooled", as res programs know the nature of the expansion, and b.c. it's Cornell, they will know, with confidence, of the public details of how the students are taught, of the facilities the campus has, of the acceptance stats, of the cross-rotations of the students from the two campuses, etc.

Also consider that it is NOT the case that "an IMG is an IMG" -- Sackler grads are treated quite differently than most, and likewise it cannot be said that a US grad from Edinburgh would be treated the same (all else being equal) as a grad from, e.g., Ross. IMG in general is not biased against b.c. of the *word* IMG, but b.c. of what people perceive/presume (rightly or wrongly) about the student and the school...and lump the student/school into the generic "class" IMG when that is all that is known or understood. In other words, there's nothing inherent to the concept of "IMG" that means "disadvantaged".

Anywho, I've been following their progress for a few years now, and I have the Faith 0:->.

-pitman

Originally Posted by stephew

while i must forewarn that there are always limits in these things, nevertheless heres a parallel or two:

Methodist hosptial in Bkyn is a Cornell affiliate. Being a resident there does not make you a grad of "Cornell" proper; same with the excellent NOrwalk hospital of CT- Yale affiliate; you aren't a Yale doc if you work there. You are affiliated with Yale, but quite a different type of program. There's nothing wrong with these programs but its different in standing.

So too this branch in Qatar may very well be a high quality education. But no one is going to mistake a grad from there with a grad from Cornell east side.

And by the by a few years ago everyone was soooo excited for Ross to have a campus in Wyoming. Never went through but had it, it still would not have made ross a us school. SImilarly, SGU has an affiliate with seton hall in NJ. Bet you didn't know that; because the school doesnt try to pretend this affiliation makes grads anything other than an IMG.

You ask the right questions, but until it pans out otherwise, grads of Cornell in Qatar must accept that they are and will be seen as IMGs and not grads of a US school, certainly come residency time. GOing in with any other expectation is wishful thinking. More power to them if I prove to be wrong in the long run, but it would be a shame for any student to let their wishful thinking color their understanding of the dynamics of medical education.

[Picard]

If the Qatar school is not LCME-accredited, and must be chartered in Qatar, then it's grads are IMG's with all the implications that come with it. Period. US citizens who go to the Qatar programs WILL be treated the same like any other US citizens who go abroad for medical school -- we went abroad because we could not get into medical schools in the US one way or another -- to think otherwise is just wishful thinking. Spare us the cliche of "Oh, I went abroad for personal reasons, I'd like to see other countries..." The fact is, 99.9% of US citizens who go abroad for medical school go for one reason and one reason only -- couldn't get into US school. And program directors will see it as such. So to think that U.S. citizens who graduate from Qatar will be treated any different than other USIMG's is just wishful thinking.

Plus, now that ERAS is computerized, program directors can easily "customize" application downloads to automatically exclude IMG's. Many competitive programs do that. So these IMG's applications will never see human eye before they are excluded. It's just a fact of life.

The fact is, Qatar program will most likely be chartered in Qatar, and it's grads will be IMG's from Qatar... and US citizens who will attend the Qatar school will do so for one reason and one reason only -- fail to gain admission into an US school. And program directors will see it the same way. Period.

P

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by stephew

while i must forewarn that there are always limits in these things, nevertheless heres a parallel or two:

Methodist hosptial in Bkyn is a Cornell affiliate. Being a resident there does not make you a grad of "Cornell" proper; same with the excellent NOrwalk hospital of CT- Yale affiliate; you aren't a Yale doc if you work there. You are affiliated with Yale, but quite a different type of program. There's nothing wrong with these programs but its different in standing.

So too this branch in Qatar may very well be a high quality education. But no one is going to mistake a grad from there with a grad from Cornell east side.

And by the by a few years ago everyone was soooo excited for Ross to have a campus in Wyoming. Never went through but had it, it still would not have made ross a us school. SImilarly, SGU has an affiliate with seton hall in NJ. Bet you didn't know that; because the school doesnt try to pretend this affiliation makes grads anything other than an IMG.

You ask the right questions, but until it pans out otherwise, grads of Cornell in Qatar must accept that they are and will be seen as IMGs and not grads of a US school, certainly come residency time. GOing in with any other expectation is wishful thinking. More power to them if I prove to be wrong in the long run, but it would be a shame for any student to let their wishful thinking color their understanding of the dynamics of medical education.

Pretty much a moot issue for US folks probably. They will fill the program with middle east residents first so you might see 1 or 2 US citizens who are of middle east heritage in the program. They will end up with an offshore medical degree that will be no different than any other one.