Russia Vs Eastern Europe

[drvinnitsa]

dEAR FRIEND!IF ANY QUESTUION ABOUT RUSSIAN AND UKRAINIAN SCHOOLS-FEEL FREE TO ASK.ARE YOU OF INDIAN ANCESTRY.I BEEN STUDYING WITH LOTS OF INDIANS FROM DIFFERENT PART,AND PAKISTANIS,SO IF YOU WANT,I'M SURE THEY'LL GLADLY TELL YOU PROS AND CONS.IF YOU ARE WHO I THINK,SO U BETTER GO TO EITHER ONE,OR BULGARIA,OR RUMANIYA,SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO.PEOPLE MUCH LESS SNOBISH AND ALLMOST OUT OF PREJUDICE.THE ONLY PROBS AS I LATELY HEARD-IN rUSSIA IN BIG CITIES COPS TAKING ANYONE LOOKING ASIAN FOR REASON OF CONNECTION TO CHECHNYA.
AND-BY THE WAY-WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY GERMANY????ALLMOST FREE!!!
FOR US -DOESN'T MATTER-YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE LEGITIMATE DIPLOMA AND IMMIGRATION OR WHATEVER PAPERS.
IF I WOULD TELL YOU SOME NAMES WHO WENT THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS AS WE ALL GO NOW-YOU'LL BE MORE THAN SURPRISED.SO ,BEST OF LUCK

[azskeptic]

very good to see your post. I have traveled many times in Russia and have good friends. I too am Jewish and helped refuseniks get out of Russia back in the old days.

So where are you practicing these days? I am not a physician...just a person who is interested in the process for my son who will go to medical school.

Dean

[Miklos]

Originally Posted by drvinnitsa

GO TO EITHER ONE [presumably Russia/Ukraine],OR BULGARIA,OR RUMANIYA,SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO.PEOPLE MUCH LESS SNOBISH AND ALLMOST OUT OF PREJUDICE.

I am not sure that I know how to answer that rant above, never mind this statement. Does this mean that Eastern European Orthodox Christians (the only thing tying those countries together) are less snobish and have less prejudice than other non-Orthodox Eastern European Christians? I beg to differ.

I will simply stand by my original post with regard to corruption and will note that I find it interesting that the writer also points out that different people pay different levels of tuition at St. Petersburg. You can draw your own conclusions.

[drvinnitsa]

you from poland?i'm not practicing yet here-taking exams.worked there.4 generations of docs)what aboutyour son?if you don't want to spend lots of money-let him go there.wherever you have more friends!i bet you'll have hell of a doctor!!!plus-jewish,american-great gesheftmaher
city my family from-is right in between all the Chassidic centers and birthplays.lots of sinagogues,yeshivas.i beleive in US and in Erez-there are no such rich sinagogues as in Kiev and Reb Nachman sinagogue in Uman.people friendly.if kosher is required-not that easy-but reachable
ask me any questions.
if any questions about mostly Ukraine,Russia as well-feel free!
P.S.-about the opinions of people from postsocialist countries(other than soviet union)i would be very critical.for person from western world todays situation has nothing to do with.100$become 1000.what the problem?
russian goim been doing mitzvas for all this shlepars for bery long time.
anyways-good luck

[drvinnitsa]

However-you know why people paying different-because 1$ for person a is 100 for personB.that is more human,despite less practical.
what is inside is more important.my friends left medicine for traiding came to budapesht to pick up goods,enjoyed city-which is one of THEEand when they come home -they found only 1/4 of the amount.what are they doing now?they keep going!but to different partners.!but anyways)
i'm a big old fan of gonved and ferenzvarosh.and goulyash!!)why to argue?
p.s.mostly for Neil C
:ask you russian classmates what are their parents doing?we have lots of this yangsters here telling that russia is a sh-le,but for some unknown to the science reason their poarents sending them hundreds of thous.bucks monthly!!!!they pay cash for any tuition,most valuable apts and so on.that is why doctors making 20$ a month.even though the mortality from most common diseases is not more than in most other countries.may be with exception of scandic,swiss,japan
anyways-good luck on exams and to Sparta

[peacefuljourney]

I just wanted to say thanks to those who posted from Russia/Ukraine. The only people I've had the pleasure to meet from those countries have been gems. I really want to visit St. Petersburg as I've heard that it is wonderful. We are in Slovakia and should have time some summer or once we are done here. We have 3 Ukranians living with us now. I've learned a lot about how life is there from them, but have never experienced it myself. Sounds like a hard life from them, but I do not doubt the academic rigour - not at all. Cheers. S-

[drvinnitsa]

yes,peace.nothing much is going on,but its the best plays to have simple relaxing rest

[Miklos]

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In Moscow, a racist undercurrent
Seth Mydans/NYT
Thursday, December 18, 2003

MOSCOW The morning starts with 100 push-ups for Constant Olivier Diboi Kath as he prepares for the most dangerous moment of his day: his subway ride to chemistry class on the other side of town.

Diboi Kath, 23, is an exchange student from Cameroon, and like other African college students in Russia, he says he feels threatened by racist thugs every time he leaves his dormitory. He says he has been abused, beaten and even shot during his five years at People's Friendship University, where about one-third of the students come from developing countries. "At any hour you must be ready to fight," he said over the sound of loud rock music in a campus cafeteria. "On the Metro, on the road, on the street, everywhere. So every morning you have to do your 100 push-ups."

Racist attacks on foreigners here - Asians, Arabs and especially blacks - have been a continuing problem. Victims have included diplomats and American Embassy Marine guards as well as students. Last year, ambassadors from 37 African nations appealed to the Foreign Ministry for protection for their citizens. Human rights groups have documented widespread harassment that they say often occurs with the compliance or support of the police. A suspicious late-night fire that took at least 42 lives at Friendship University three weeks ago has intensified fears among minority students here. Several of them - particularly Chinese students - have cut short their studies and headed home, fellow students say. "If there is another incident like this, we are all going to leave," said a 23-year-old student from Gabon who would give only his first name, Georges. "I just want to finish quickly and leave Russia forever, forever."

Although the fire is officially described as an accident, most minority students are convinced that it was arson. They say that for weeks the university has been receiving bomb threats that have forced students into the cold streets during the class day or in the middle of the night. The fire took place in a dormitory for newly arrived foreign students, including students from Angola, China, Vietnam, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Ivory Coast and Tahiti. Survivors said the reaction of the college administration only added to their feeling that they were outcasts. "They did not even give us one day off," said Sydney Ocran, 23, a journalism student from Liberia who videotaped the fire. "There were students inside banging on the glass, calling for help," he said. "I took a close shot of the hands banging on the glass and then their hands just went down the glass, sliding like that, and they were gone. "They put out the fire at 4 or 5 a.m. and students went to school at 9 a.m.," Ocran said. "That is amazing to me. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I feel that they do this because most of the victims are foreigners."

Attitudes like what Ocran described lie deep within the Russian psyche but are growing worse now, said Alexander Brod, director of the Moscow Human Rights Bureau, a private group that monitors discrimination. White-supremacist skinhead groups are multiplying and enjoy substantial support, fueled by nationalist political groups and publications, he said. "All this Nazi ideology gives rise to hatred of all non-Russians," he said. "And so, many people even think skinheads are not bandits and hooligans but Russian patriots who are fighting for the purity of Russian society."

This is what a 19-year-old medical student from Malaysia experienced when she was beaten last summer at a McDonald's restaurant: "'Russia is for Russians,' that's their motto," said the woman, who declined to give her name. "They were just laughing, laughing. It was because of my head scarf. They didn't like me wearing this."

At the Moscow Protestant Chaplaincy, where many African students find spiritual refuge, the attacks have become a part of the worship service itself. "Nearly every week, or every other week, someone stands up and says, 'Please pray for me, I had a run-in with skinheads,' or, 'Pray for my friend who was beaten by the police,'" said the pastor, John Calhoun. An attack can happen anywhere, Diboi Kath said, but some times and places are worse than others. "Like the Metro Green Line. If you want to die, you go there at 6 o'clock."

National holidays and major sports events, with their drunkenness and heightened passions, are times to stay home, many students said.

Ocran is a refugee who fled fighting in Liberia 13 years ago and took refuge in Ghana. He won a scholarship to study in Moscow, only to find new dangers. "The only time I feel safe is when I am in my room - at least 60 percent safe," he said. Unlike some poorer students, though, he is able to take a break during the summers to visit his wife and sons in their refugee camp. "When I return to Ghana it's like I'm released from prison, like I'm a free bird," he said. "I get so happy. I am so happy when I sit on the airplane. I don't have to worry who is going to beat me."

The New York Times

[love_bugs_3100556]

HEY GUYS , INDIANS TO NOTE IT.
ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THE RUSSIAN MEDICAL COLLEGES I HEARD ABOUT IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO ONE YEAR INTERSHIP AFTER WE COME BACK TO INDIA EVEN AFTER CLEARING THE SCREENING EXAM COZ THE INTERNSHIP IN RUSSIA IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE GOVT. OF INDIA . AND ALSO IT IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO FIND JOB AND PRATICE IN GOVT. COLLEGES N HOSPITALS COZ THE GOVT. GIVES PROVISIOPNAL REGISTRATION. IN SUCH CASES. . I M GOING TO PAVLOV UNIVERSITY IN PETERSBURG TO STUDY MBBS IN ENGLISH MEDIUM BUT THIS THING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE COZ ITS WASTES ANOTHER ONE YR , SO ITS BETTER TO TAKE A DROP N STUDY IN INDIA ITSELF.
SO , WHAT U SAY ?????????