transfer from poland med. school to HMI affiliated poland med. school

[whattupdog6969]

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You know what I am somewhat sorry about this, but not really, I have heard these guys that failed going to other schools and downgrading our school just because they failed, and then others told me at various Kaplan courses (I used to teach Part time) that my school was horrible, and I just didnt feel like it was an appropriate comment above, or their comments. Was it the students, or the system, hmm... so lets see, how are the graduates doing, oh yeah each and everyone who attempted the USMLE passed it (minus a few that graduated in prior years, only two or three that I can think of and they were recently, but not in my year in my year everyone passed and did well) but the GREAT MAJORITY of graduates do very very well. In answer to the transfer question, one can never transfer in directly to the clinicals without spending time in Poland, even the worthless HMI secretary will admit to that. Like I said good students do exist from there, so HMI can praise those few students maybe 5%, and he says much more like 90 to 95% of a success rate which is about as funny as my golf game, in other words it sucks.

[malumed007]

I must agree, one thing..the education at Hungary is far far far superior to any poish education at ANY school..the fact of the matter, i MUST disagree with, is about the community hospitals..I DID attend an HMI school and I was at a trauma one center in Brooklyn, NY which allowed me to attain several great interviews as of now..The option is there to set up your own rotations but REMEMBER, at least in NY state, you can ONLY do 12 weeks MAXIMUM of clerkships unless you are NY state approved for extended clerkships, and unfortunately only HMI schools are as of now..I wouldnt go as far as saying only 5 percent of our class succeeded..BUT..the transfers from Hungary werent as good as the college grads..As far as i know, 100 percent of the college grads that came to Katowice attained residency from my class..back to HMI..they do charge an arm and a leg..and most people dont condone what they do..all i have to say about that is that i agree..they charge WAY too much..BUT im sitting here a physician now with passes on my boards, with ZERO regrets..i hope i am being objective with that statement because its the truth..I met some great people down there, i LOVED it down there and I did have my issues with the school which any student from any school will attest to but i graduated and made it..you cannot transfer straight into clinicals through HMI no mater how much you throw down..i know people who transferred, did one year there, and then went to clinicals..and you CAN do rotations without your board pass because i did 3 of them before i took my exam..but only certain hospitals..hope this helps..

[whattupdog6969]

Originally Posted by malumed007

I must agree, one thing..the education at Hungary is far far far superior to any poish education at ANY school..the fact of the matter, i MUST disagree with, is about the community hospitals..I DID attend an HMI school and I was at a trauma one center in Brooklyn, NY which allowed me to attain several great interviews as of now..The option is there to set up your own rotations but REMEMBER, at least in NY state, you can ONLY do 12 weeks MAXIMUM of clerkships unless you are NY state approved for extended clerkships, and unfortunately only HMI schools are as of now..I wouldnt go as far as saying only 5 percent of our class succeeded..BUT..the transfers from Hungary werent as good as the college grads..As far as i know, 100 percent of the college grads that came to Katowice attained residency from my class..back to HMI..they do charge an arm and a leg..and most people dont condone what they do..all i have to say about that is that i agree..they charge WAY too much..BUT im sitting here a physician now with passes on my boards, with ZERO regrets..i hope i am being objective with that statement because its the truth..I met some great people down there, i LOVED it down there and I did have my issues with the school which any student from any school will attest to but i graduated and made it..you cannot transfer straight into clinicals through HMI no mater how much you throw down..i know people who transferred, did one year there, and then went to clinicals..and you CAN do rotations without your board pass because i did 3 of them before i took my exam..but only certain hospitals..hope this helps..

thats really cool.... yeah man I will wholeheartedly agree with you on the Debrecen transfers, definitely not appropriate examples of DOTE students whatsoever - not saying that the students from my school were perfect some of them especially, they are quite quite sad actually those transfers that you are referring to though I will add my two cents to that one. I will agree with you college helps a TON before beginning any medical curriculum, well Debrecen now has affiliations with Wycoff, I do not know whether or not it is the same hospital as you are referring to, but that is as I understand predominantly the NY affiliated HMI hospital. Thats awesome that you got in a trauma center in Brooklyn, talk about hands on experience. Yeah you shouldnt do more than 12 weeks in NY.... a very IMPORTANT fact... I know of personally more than one individual denied residency in NY with STELLAR board scores, and had to settle for nearby CT programs, or came to the midwest. 5 percent success is what I heard from a student there - thats probably only counting those guys that transferred, but my guesstimation would be closer to zero actually. Dude, the transfers from Hungary were probably all pathetic, you dont have to be modest. I remember each and every one of them very well. Yeah would not doubt you one bit about the college grads. thats exactly what I have been saying all along, that one cannot transfer directly into the clinicals, no matter what boards scores one attains. Still have to spend time in Poland. But it is FAR better to come with Step I already in hand, all of those guys had at least one or SEVERAL subjects left from Debrecen and no board scores obviously, if you cannot pass subjects at Debrecen then you have far less chances at passing USMLE examinations, and they just couldnt hack it and left and made excuses.
Glad to see a much more secure and mature perspective on the Polish programs.

[opuscule]

Anecdotally speaking, it seems there are two strata of Polish programs; the HMI-affiliated schools (Katowice, Lublin, etc), and the independent programs (Krakow, Poznan, and potentially Warsaw). It would be a mistake to ignore the large differences between the two.

Originally Posted by malumed007

I must agree, one thing..the education at Hungary is far far far superior to any poish education at ANY school..

Could you explain your claim, specifically as it applies to non-HMI programs?

[gvanderv]

I agree with Opuscule. I think you are being a little harsh on "ALL" Polish programs.

[whattupdog6969]

Originally Posted by gvanderv

I agree with Opuscule. I think you are being a little harsh on "ALL" Polish programs.

my comments were regarding Katowice and Lublin, which are COMPLETE JOKES, regarding students coming in without an adequate background - unlike the above poster, or failures, no I mean transfers from Hungary, I mean its easy as hell to pass, which is the opposite of Hungarian programs, not saying that everyone that advances in Hungary definitely knows their stuff inside and out, because that would definitely be misinformation. But proportionally, Hungary is far far superior regarding those two Polish programs aforementioned, Katowice and Lublin.

[nuground2m]

I studied in Hungary, and I too know the people who transferred to katowice and lublin. I know personally that debrecen requires reading that is sometimes to the point of being inhumane, and just because the people transferred from there to poland, or wherever, has no bearing on your future as a doctor or anything else for that matter. dont think just because you graduated from hungary, everything is peachy cream from now on. hungary is not the best of the best either, so you could get off your high horse. i know the curriculum of some of the classes in poland are top notch. plus, a lot is self study anyways.

[whattupdog6969]

Originally Posted by nuground2m

I studied in Hungary, and I too know the people who transferred to katowice and lublin. I know personally that debrecen requires reading that is sometimes to the point of being inhumane, and just because the people transferred from there to poland, or wherever, has no bearing on your future as a doctor or anything else for that matter. dont think just because you graduated from hungary, everything is peachy cream from now on. hungary is not the best of the best either, so you could get off your high horse. i know the curriculum of some of the classes in poland are top notch. plus, a lot is self study anyways.

ah I see..... so I am making no assumptions as to your current situation and will just leave it at that.... fact of the matter is.... Hungary is GREAT for the basic sciences, and can be absolutely PATHETIC as far as teaching you clinical knowledge, you do not walk out of that school able to manage and admit patients in a real life hospital scenario at all whatsoever (residency is all about learning though I suppose) - but like I said the basic sciences are excellent, and if you are very aggressive you can learn the clinical stuff too. I mean all of those subjects and the clinicals were just awful the majority of them after third year, with the exception of First clinic of Internal Medicine with Dr. Paragh - and a few other subjects here or there, and then they expected so much knowledge at the examinations, now they make a very nice and concerted effort to accomodate students, and push them hard at the same time (first dept of IM) now if each and every dept in that school did such an outstanding job of teaching then that school would be far superior to many many other medical schools. I will disagree that you think - that I think that everything is peachy cream.... truth of the matter is, that if I didnt do my clinicals for a year in the US, then I would have been lost right now, but I worked extremely hard to refine my clinical knowledge and integrate it with my basic sciences knowledge (of which Hungary is excellent at that department), but sucked at teaching basic clinical knowledge, so obviously the school needs work, even though it is still very good, getting there though like I said before. So you are greatly mistaken that I am on some high horse, I just said that those students that just so happened to transfer out the year that those schools came into existence were all losers - they all failed miserably from Hungary, why can you not accept what I am saying and try and understand it instead of taking your own semi twisted misperception? I mean that there were students from the year prior that transferred to Poland and most of them were actually quite smart, it just so happened that all of the students, were pretty pathetic honestly in my time the year after it. No names no names no names no names, but they know who they are, and you probably know who they are too, just dont want to admit it just yet I suppose. Kind of sad actually to see that you are in so much denial, and not willing to accept the facts. Thats ok its a discussion forum though.

[malumed007]

i still must say..out of the first class from poland that went from hungary..i think you know..saleems group..mali and all of them..90 percent of them attained residency faster than they would have from debrecen..the class after that which was the class with me..it took an extra year, but except for maybe 5 students, every single one of them gained residency man..no joke..their coutner parts who were actually better students in debrecen are still studying for their 6th year hungarian national board..this is no joke dude..you can PM me..im sure we actually know eachother and i can give you actual names and places where they are residents..the polish school was extremely easy, and out of my class of 25 i can honestly think of 7 people who did not belong there, but the rest of the transfers are actually at the following hospitals..reading penn peds, methodist(medicine)..flushing(medicine)..the list goes on..liek i said..i can give you names if you PM me..bottom line..that 12 week rule applies to ALL schools in europe EXCEPT HMI schools..didnt know if you knew that fact..personally..being able to do 2 years in NY was amazing for me..and thats the reason i went there over any other polish school..because you couldnt do 2 years in any of the other schools..anyways..just had to clarify that about debrecen students..5 percent is way way way off..there are literally only 3 people from debrecen that transferred to poland that arent matching this year that left in 1999..take care..

[malumed007]

btw..warsaw's 4 yr. program is strictly through HMI now as well..now i know HMI charges a lot..i agree with this..but if it is so bad, how are so many people attaining residency from the schools, and why would the most prestigious polish school sign an exclusive contract with them..why would NY state ONLY allow HMI schools to do more than 12 weeks extended clerkships in their state other than ONLY 12 other international schools all over the world?..i dont know man..something right is being done..i mean if you PM me i can give you names of two people..from my class who got a 99 and one got a 95..both were transfers from debrecen..i only know of one recorded score from debrecen that high..not comparing educations..just stating facts..take care