How about DOTE rank in Europe?

[Patrick_Wei]

500?

or more?

[Miklos]

Ranking schools in Europe is near meaningless IMO.

I think that many would agree on which schools are on the top of the list (e.g. Cambridge and Oxford), but beyond that I don't believe you can really rank schools, because they are so different due to cultural differences.

What criteria would you use?

[blueeyes]

I think you're better off looking into whether a given school will help you get to practice where you want (i.e. accreditation, recognition) and whether the school will give you good clinical training. You might also want to check on the way courses are taught, especially if you're from North America. For all the above, it's best that you talk with current students (especially someone who's critical but still decided to stay on as a student...i.e. many of the Central European students on this forum.)

Interestingly, I've seen a number of attempts to "rank" medical programs, but none that placed Cambridge and Oxford at the top in Europe. Even within the UK I think there is generally at least one med school (for whatever reason) "ranked" above them.

What most people are thinking of when they refer to Cambridge as being the best in anything is that it's a research powerhouse (the best in Europe, I'm sure, and probably second or third best in the world depending on what criteria you use).

In a way, all this is immaterial since, assuming you want to practice in the US, you would be considered an IMG coming from any of these schools. And, when it comes down to it, most Americans won't know about your school's reputation anyway.

[Miklos]

In a way, all this is immaterial since, assuming you want to practice in the US, you would be considered an IMG coming from any of these schools. And, when it comes down to it, most Americans won't know about your school's reputation anyway.

Let me put it this way. Oxbridge trumps Debrecen. So, if you can get into either Oxford or Cambridge, more power to you.

[gawtti]

at the end of the day...i will still become a doctor. ranking european schools doesn't mean anything. debrecen still gets me where i want to be, and thats becoming a doctor. personally i don't give a s@#t where debrecen is ranked in europe. i believe in hungary alone. debrecen takes the top stop in providing the best quality medical education, theory aspect. however, what i get from the upper classmen is that the clinical aspect is very weak compared to semmelweis in budapest. i know i'm going to get mobbed for this one. oh well!!

[Miklos]

at the end of the day...i will still become a doctor. ranking european schools doesn't mean anything. debrecen still gets me where i want to be, and thats becoming a doctor. personally i don't give a s@#t where debrecen is ranked in europe. i believe in hungary alone. debrecen takes the top stop in providing the best quality medical education, theory aspect. however, what i get from the upper classmen is that the clinical aspect is very weak compared to semmelweis in budapest. i know i'm going to get mobbed for this one. oh well!!

Then why say it? Simply because you are there?

The curriculum is identical at all Hungarian schools.

NB My comments above are a criticism of Debrecen per se. I'm simply pointing out that if someone has a brandname Oxbridge diploma, that's a highly recognizable plus.

Miklos

[JamieN]

Ok, about the whole it doesn't matter what the school rank is. Yes, it does matter. When you go to apply at a hospital, or wherever, do you think they aren't going to notice that you went to a "well-known" school rather than one that isn't?

[medmaybe]

But are any of these european schools well known, atleast in the U.S?

[malina]

School rankings are meaningless. When was the last time you went into a doctor's office and asked him which school he attended? Most schools (except for the few 'big' names) are totally unknown to most people - especially to those that are not in the medical field. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters to your patient is whether the treatmenet that you prescibed for him makes him feel better - that's it. Most schools teach all of the material that makes one a good doctor - the rest of it is up to the individual.

On a side note - in a lot of instances - someone that does go to one of the "big" schools - it doesn't mean they're any smarter or better than someone that attends an ordinary school - it just means daddy's wallet is a lot bigger.

[therealdrm]

yes that's true