IS CALI APPROVAL REALLY THAT IMPORTANT? I DON'T THINK SO.

[AUCMD2006]

regulation is there for a reason. nail salons had to be regulated after strings of unknown fungal infections were traced back to double and triple using disposable manicure equipment and not cleaning other appropriately. but it can get out of hand. i think if you do step1,2,3 residency and are a US citizen no one should be able to tell you were you can work. if you are a foreigner and have doen the previous things i think a board can have the ability to ask you to work in underserved areas and whatnot in exchange for a certain time working in the US but i don't know if allowing unrestricted work status is good for the home country. ever heard of third world brain drain? first world countries seem to take everything they want from the third world including their best and brightest...maybe require them to work in home country for ten years then come to the US i don't know......


as far as suing the state of cali good luck, as far as becoming a plastic surgeon in the US as an FMG/IMG now that is fighting against all odds! just make sure you aim for pastic surgery but get real confortable with the though of being in internal medicine or FP...hehe

[neilc]

you guys are really something....

if you want to get licensed in cali, go to an approved school. if your school is not approved, get it approved. it is not expensive. those who tell you it costs a lot of money ARE LYING!!! it is free to apply, and the school merely pays for the site visit. a few thousand dollars, at most.

all of this spouting and rhetoric is doing nada. do you think the cali board has NOT been challenged in court? well, the odds are that they will prevail. don't believe me, fine. take a shot. it is your money.

it is funny. this thread (much like all the spartan threads on the same topic) are exactly like a pep rally. a bunch of people getting worked up into a frenzy....but, the problem is that you people are on the team that is going to get whupped up on in the ball game.

now, while there may be a legal challenge to cali, and it may prevail at some distant date in the future (anything is possible)...or you may be one of the select few that somehow slip through the licensing process in spite of not attending an approved school....but, the reality is that neither of these is likely to happen.

hopefully, you will be better as physicians at critical thought and reasoning. it is simpy very, very unlikely, given the current status of cali, that grads of unapproved programs will be working there. in fact, i would say it is MUCH more likely that the cali approval process will begin to be more pervasive (if not adopted by the FSMB as the way to go about regulating schools)!

so, enough of the pipe dreams. come back to reality. focus your energy on an achievable task, such as getting the school approved, or getting a loan for a school that is approved.

[gawtti]

i still think that if you want to be a doctor persue your DREAM. don't let california, or PEOPLE on this forum stop you.

i agree that bricking about it on this forum won't solve anything. we should instill in us ACTION rather than WORDS. choose the school you want to attend based on reputation and the quality. and, if they are not cali approved. then, push the school administrators to APPLY FOR RECOGNITION!! it's REALLY THAT EASY!!!!

california has already received our application. so, hopefully by the time i'm done here we will be approved. 8)

[asianTSwantsMD]

THANKS, GAWTTI. YOU GOT MY POINT.

[neilc]

Originally Posted by gawtti

i still think that if you want to be a doctor persue your DREAM. don't let california, or PEOPLE on this forum stop you.

i agree that bricking about it on this forum won't solve anything. we should instill in us ACTION rather than WORDS. choose the school you want to attend based on reputation and the quality. and, if they are not cali approved. then, push the school administrators to APPLY FOR RECOGNITION!! it's REALLY THAT EASY!!!!

california has already received our application. so, hopefully by the time i'm done here we will be approved. 8)

i agree on many points...first, yelling about how injust a system is does nothing...i personally do not think cali is all that difficult, and it is not expensive. just do it! and, if you think it is injust, and want to sue, also, just do it.

on the dream of becoming a doctor....i agree, to a point. go and be an md, go to a school that can do that. but, it is important to temper your starry-eyed dreams with reality. the reality is (at least in my view) that there are many currently approved CA schools (and schools that fit every budget), and if you want to practice in CA you should go to one of these schools. the other reality is that it is likely many more states will adopt the CA list, and even if they don't, it is not a great idea to already limit your options before you even have finished. simply put, there are too many good schools that will not limit you. GO TO ONE OF THESE SCHOOLS!!!! even if you don't think you want to work in CA, you think you will work internationally, whatever. do not limit yourself! in 20 years, you might be kicking yourself for this short sightedness.

[asianTSwantsMD]

THE IDEA BEHIND MY ORIGINAL POST IS ABOUT THE RELEVANCE OR IRRELEVANCE OF THE CALI BOARD APPROVAL IN CHOOSING A MED SCHOOL, NOT TO LAMBAST THEM,, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CALI BOARD THAT MAKES ONE AGITATED. MAYBE THE MED SCHOOL IN KABUL INFURIATES ME.

MED SCHOOL APPLICANTS SHOULD PREOCCUPY THEMSELVES OF BECOMING A DOCTOR FIRST BFFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE CALI BOARD. ECFMG, USMLE AND RESIDENCY ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT.

IF ONE IS PARANOID OF THE CALI BOARD APPRROVAL LIST, AND IT IS AFFECTING HIS DECISION ON WHAT MED SCHOOL TO GO TO, HE OUGHT TO EXAMINE HIMSELF WHAT HE REALLY WANTS-- TO SURF OR TO HEAL.

IT'S JUST ANNOYING TO READ THE CALI BOARD SCARE ON ALMOST ALL MED STUDENT FORUMS. IT'S TIME TO GIVE THIS ISSUE A SERIOUS PERSPECTIVE. IN MY BELIEF, AS LONG AS YOU GO TO A GOOD SCHOOL THAT TRAINS YOU TO BE A GOOD PHYSICIAN, YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU NEED TO WORRY MORE ON YOUR FIRST COURSE OF PHYSIOLOGY THAN WHAT MS. PARK HAS BEEN TELLING YOU.

ALL I HAVE AGAINST THE CALI BOARD IS THEIR POLICY ON TRANSPARENCY. IF THERE ARE CASES FILED AGAINST THEM, MS PARK SHOULD REFRAIN FROM SCARING PEOPLE. IF YOU ASK THE CALI BOARD IF THEY HAVE ISSUED LICENSES TO IMG'S FROM SCHOOLS NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST, I ASSURE YOU, THEY WON'T TELL YOU AN ABSOLUTE NO AS AN ANSWER.

IT JUST BOTHERS ME THAT MY HOME STATE OF CALI PREFERS AFGHAN IMG'S TRAINED IN MUD HUT MED SCHOOL AND IN KABUL HOSPITALS, WHERE PATIENTS SLEEP ON BARE, DUSTY FLOORS, THAN AMERICAN SPARTAN DOCS TRAINED IN A MODERN SCHOOL/HOSPITAL IN SANTA LUCIA. I CANNOT FATHOM THE LOGIC BEHIND THIS.

[asianTSwantsMD]

MOD, YOU CAN DELETE THIS TOPIC. I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE AN AGENT-PROVOCATEUR.

[shockandawe]

Guys and Gals,

I'm sorry but I have to agree 100% with Neilc. Just go to an approved school because Cali is totally fair. Face reality that there is no injustice here. Just because places like the University of Bangladesh and the University of Afgan are approved, even though they do their clinicals out of chicken farms, that doesn't mean that the CA boards are unfair. These are really excellent schools. You can learn the greatest advances in science and technology from these schools. In a couple of years they will have medicine that can compete with the 1880's developments... That is why I have decided to get a second MD from Saddam University in Baghdad, this way I can show off my CA approval to everyone. They have a special "Buy one MD, get one free, for only twenty dollars." -s&a

[Miklos]

Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD

THE IDEA BEHIND MY ORIGINAL POST IS ABOUT THE RELEVANCE OR IRRELEVANCE OF THE CALI BOARD APPROVAL IN CHOOSING A MED SCHOOL, NOT TO LAMBAST THEM,, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CALI BOARD THAT MAKES ONE AGITATED. MAYBE THE MED SCHOOL IN KABUL INFURIATES ME.

MED SCHOOL APPLICANTS SHOULD PREOCCUPY THEMSELVES OF BECOMING A DOCTOR FIRST BFFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE CALI BOARD. ECFMG, USMLE AND RESIDENCY ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT.

IF ONE IS PARANOID OF THE CALI BOARD APPRROVAL LIST, AND IT IS AFFECTING HIS DECISION ON WHAT MED SCHOOL TO GO TO, HE OUGHT TO EXAMINE HIMSELF WHAT HE REALLY WANTS-- TO SURF OR TO HEAL.

IT'S JUST ANNOYING TO READ THE CALI BOARD SCARE ON ALMOST ALL MED STUDENT FORUMS. IT'S TIME TO GIVE THIS ISSUE A SERIOUS PERSPECTIVE. IN MY BELIEF, AS LONG AS YOU GO TO A GOOD SCHOOL THAT TRAINS YOU TO BE A GOOD PHYSICIAN, YOU WILL BE FINE. YOU NEED TO WORRY MORE ON YOUR FIRST COURSE OF PHYSIOLOGY THAN WHAT MS. PARK HAS BEEN TELLING YOU.

ALL I HAVE AGAINST THE CALI BOARD IS THEIR POLICY ON TRANSPARENCY. IF THERE ARE CASES FILED AGAINST THEM, MS PARK SHOULD REFRAIN FROM SCARING PEOPLE. IF YOU ASK THE CALI BOARD IF THEY HAVE ISSUED LICENSES TO IMG'S FROM SCHOOLS NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST, I ASSURE YOU, THEY WON'T TELL YOU AN ABSOLUTE NO AS AN ANSWER.

IT JUST BOTHERS ME THAT MY HOME STATE OF CALI PREFERS AFGHAN IMG'S TRAINED IN MUD HUT MED SCHOOL AND IN KABUL HOSPITALS, WHERE PATIENTS SLEEP ON BARE, DUSTY FLOORS, THAN AMERICAN SPARTAN DOCS TRAINED IN A MODERN SCHOOL/HOSPITAL IN SANTA LUCIA. I CANNOT FATHOM THE LOGIC BEHIND THIS.

This is simply very poor advice.

I haven't the desire or the energy to argue whether the California Medical Board's decisions are just or fair; or for that matter whether the prevailing climate against IMGs is fair or not.

However, this I do know; A medical education abroad is a substantial investment in time, money, blood, sweat and tears.

It is doubly so, if one wishes to return to North America to practice medicine, especially due to the prevailing climate.

Simply focusing on "being a good physician" without understanding the potential barriers that the "system" places in one's path is at best simple minded.

But, you probably don't understand that, as you have neither the pre-med background nor any med. school experience (c.f. your comments generally, but specifically re: plastic surgery and Siberian med schools).

I'd like to suggest that you either educate yourself some more or stop making comments about things you don't seem to understand, as your comments are poorly thought out and do not reflect the reality of the situation (in addition to being very poor advice to potential med students).

Miklos

[Miklos]

Originally Posted by asianTSwantsMD

MOD, YOU CAN DELETE THIS TOPIC. I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE AN AGENT-PROVOCATEUR.

Sure you don't. Create the storm in the tea-cup, be rebutted and then walk away.

Doubt that you'll make it anyway...