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    Residency position in Germany as a foreign medical graduate

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    Hey everyone, before I begin I'd like to apologize if this question is in the wrong section of the forums.

    Anyways I'm hoping someone can help me understand the process of obtaining a post graduation position in Germany as a non-EU diploma holder such as myself. (graduating next year)
    Despite my fair share of research, I still barely understand what is required of me, aside from a decent grasp of the German language. Does anyone know what kind of exams I would have to sit? Or what they may look like? (written & or verbal, only language test etc.)

    I'd be very grateful if someone could help me understand the general procedure in which post graduates have to go through.
    It may help to know that i am an EU citizen.

    Thanks for the read!

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    1) At least B2 level German fluency. (Some hospitals are asking for C1 now, it depends.)
    2) An acceptable medical diploma, according to the German government.

    From that point, as an EU citizen, and assuming your medical credentials are accepted in Germany, it should be pretty straightforward. Find a good German medical recruiter (they should not charge you anything, the costs should be borne by the hospital and the recruiter... a number of recruiters are starting to try to hang the costs on the applicants, which is stupid.)

    If a hospital likes you and wants to hire you, then the recruiter and hospital should submit your paperwork for Approbation. It is mainly going to come down to how well you can speak German (the more fluent you are, the better your chances), and whether your diploma is accepted. Frankly, there is also some unofficial stratification according to where you are from, as well, but you can`t control that so it is pointless to worry about.

    Your first step is to find a good recruiter. If they seem sketchy, act like they are doing you a favor, etc., then dump them and find somebody else. They should be courteous and professional, even if they have nothing to offer you at the moment. Good luck.
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    Hey thanks so much for your help! It such a relief to get some concise information about this. I hope you wouldn't mind if I were to PM you in future for any additional help/opinions and what not.

    Also, Forgive me for double posting. I thought my initial post didn't go through due to a "bad gateway" message I'd received. I'll see if there's anything I can do to close that thread. Anyways thanks again!

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    Been there, no worries. Feel free to post or hit me with questions. If I am not around, I will answer when I can.

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    Hello DevilDoc!

    I'm a US citizen and studying medicine in Italy, so what about my chances in germany?
    I heard that it's really hard for non-EU people even if u have EU degree.
    Does citizenship really that important?
    THX for your help

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    Yeah, it absolutely is that important. Hell, in many cases, citizenship is THE deciding factor for whether or not you can train in a country. As a non-EU citizen, in some parts of the EU it is impossible, or nearly so, no matter where you studied (i.e. UK, Sweden, France, etc.). Note that this problem often disappears if you marry an EU citizen, by the way, and Sweden will often hire foreigners after they have completed residency.

    Fortunately, though, in Germany the need is such that it is currently much more manageable for many foreigners. According to my conversations with German recruiters, they like Americans quite a bit, especially if they have EU medical credentials. (That assumes German fluency to at least the B2 level, of course, as noted above. Getting to the C1 level or higher is even better.)

    This is also not etched in stone, so a lot will depend on when you graduate. Laws can change in this regard with little or no notice, so keep an eye on things over the last year or two of medical school if EU training and practice are your target.
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    so would it be easier with a German diploma?
    if it does make things easier then i might need to transfer...

    And what about the DIVERSITY in Germany medical education?
    My girlfriend is also studying medicine and she's Taiwanese...u know what I'm saying.
    Is there something like a glass ceiling for non white people?

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    I do not think it matters where in the (Western) EU you earn your diploma. Plus, I do not believe that the German schools accept transfer internationally, even within the EU.

    According to the better recruiters I talked with, there is an unofficial, unwritten stratification of graduates for hiring within hospitals. Nationals (and graduates) from some countries are seen as more desirable than others. Of course, nationals from countries that raise suspicion with the German immigration authorities are also rather less likely to be hired.

    Fair or not, graduates who hail from some parts of the Balkans, or the Middle East, etc. could find themselves with fewer interviews and/or fewer hospitals interested in their services. However, as long as your girlfriend speaks German really well, I do not think that she would fall into that category... especially if she has an EU diploma. But she would absolutely need those German skills. If you can knock their socks off in an interview by speaking the language well, and they were interested enough to interview you, then you probably stand a good shot.

    I am not in Germany, but the Swiss system is similar in some ways. We have a couple of Asians, and an African dude in the university EM program. Granted, they all have Swiss/EU citizenship (or are married to Swiss/EU citizens), but they made it work... and Germany needs docs more urgently than Switzerland does at the moment.

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    that sounds reasonable.
    really appreciate ur help!

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    No worries. Just keep track of the process between now and when you graduate, because these things can change.

    As soon as you speak B2/C1 German I would recommend getting in touch with some of the better recruiters for Germany. If they know you, like you, and can plan ahead, you have a better chance of finding a decent position...

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