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    Residency position in Germany as a foreign medical graduate

    Hey everyone, before I begin I'd like to apologize if this question is in the wrong section of the forums.

    Anyways I'm hoping someone can help me understand the process of obtaining a post graduation position in Germany as a non-EU diploma holder such as myself. (graduating next year)
    Despite my fair share of research, I still barely understand what is required of me, aside from a decent grasp of the German language. Does anyone know what kind of exams I would have to sit? Or what they may look like? (written & or verbal, only language test etc.)

    I'd be very grateful if someone could help me understand the general procedure in which post graduates have to go through.
    It may help to know that i am an EU citizen.

    Thanks for the read!

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    Devildoc Thank you very much. I sent you pm.

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    No worries. Good luck to you.

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    hello everyone. I was wondering if anyone can help me out with my question.

    I'm planning to study medicine in Europe, possibly Italy or Poland. I'm not sure what happens exactly once you graduate but to practice medicine, you have to pass some sort of medical license test in that country right? like USMLE for US.. etc?
    I read previous posts and it seems that if I want to practice medicine in Germany, I have to pass some sort of language test? what about the medical license test ? is that in German language? or in English?

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    To practice medicine you need to complete specialty training in your area of expertise (general medicine, pediatrics, surgery, cardiology, whatever). THEN you pass the specialty boards. THEN you practice that specialty. You are a doctor during training, and you are paid, but you are a resident physician, working under an attending.

    The requirements for working in a country vary substantially from country to country, even within the EU. Some will require an exam (or multiple exams), others will not. However, you absolutely will have to speak the language in whatever country you want to work.

    And for the love of everything holy, the bulk of the medical licensing exams (and virtually all of the training) will be in the local language. I mean, come on.

    There may be some elements of board certification that are completed in English in SOME places in SOME specialties, but you need the local language to complete the process, 100%. For example, for part of the written exam for Internal Medicine in Switzerland they require an exam taken from the MKSAP, in English. But the rest of the board qualification and testing is completed in German, French, or Italian.
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    Hello everyone,


    I myself also have a question.

    Can someone please advice me on what I can do best. I have not yet graduated from a Turkish medical school, ( 3 more years to go, but I guess i'm just preparing myself for the future)
    I have a EU passport.

    I speak Dutch so learning German shouldn't be that difficult hopefully.

    What are the steps I can best take after graduating medicine?
    Also i'm not sure on what I want to specialise in , maybe something with surgery but I am open to anything really. (I'd also like to know which specialties are attainable in germany as a IMG?)

    thanks in advance
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    I have not yet graduated from a Turkish medical school, ( 3 more years to go, but I guess i'm just preparing myself for the future)

    That is a damn good idea, and you probably should have already started. People who wait until shortly before (or even after!) graduation to figure out what they are going to do often find that they have very few (or even no) real options.

    I have a EU passport.

    That helps a lot, but it does not make up for having a non-EU diploma, at least not on its own. You will need to apply for approval of your Turkish medical credential, which should not be a huge problem but is also not automatic. That could also vary somewhat based on the Bundesland in which you apply for Approbation, some of them are much more stringent than others.

    I speak Dutch so learning German shouldn't be that difficult hopefully.

    Excellent. Start now. Seriously. Find a Goethe Institut wherever you are and get rolling. Because you cannot start that after graduation and expect to get hired anywhere, you need to be able to speak C1 (or better) German as soon as you can, so that you can get hired without any hesitation.

    What are the steps I can best take after graduating medicine?

    The best steps are the ones you take right now, it all needs to be in place already before you graduate. You cannot start after graduation, I am shocked at how many people put this off until they have a diploma in hand and suddenly it's like "Oops, whoopsy-daisy, I don't have a damn job... now what?"

    Look, I am nowhere near a perfect example, but I had interviews for residency jobs more than six months before my final graduation exams, and a job offer in hand well before graduation... and I was regularly emailing with places 18-24 months in advance, looking at residency positions in five countries. Some of them fell through at the last minute due to changes in visa laws, so it was a really good thing to have started in advance. Start now.

    Aside from the language and all of that, use your clinical rotations to figure out what you want to do, and where you might want to do it. You may need to apply for an initial job in something related to what you want to do, just to get into the system, but that depends on how competitively the specialties that interest you stack up.

    Once you can speak the language B2 or better, and you have an idea what you might like to do, then you should contact (REPUTABLE) German medical recruiters in the geographical areas that interest you, and they can assist you with getting Approbation and even interviews with hospitals. A reminder: as a physician applicant, you SHOULD NOT pay a recruiter. The hospitals are the ones who pay them for finding qualified and competitive staff. If they want your money, tell them to get bent.

    Also i'm not sure on what I want to specialise in , maybe something with surgery but I am open to anything really. (I'd also like to know which specialties are attainable in germany as a IMG?)

    What is available depends on the specialty itself, how well it pays (often), and the location. In a very popular city or region it could be hard to get a position in pediatrics or psychiatry or internal medicine, whereas in less popular areas those specialties could be dying for applicants. It all depends. So look at where you want to go (regionally within Germany), and what interests you, and then do some searches and target your applications accordingly. Ideally, you should be ready to apply to positions during your last year of medical school, so you can walk out of graduation and start your residency position as soon as possible.

    In the mean time, get rocking on the German and study your butt off so you can perform well in the clinic. Without that, everything else will be futile.

    Good luck!

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    Hello everyone,
    I finish my medical faculty in Macedonia. Now I am doing PhD in the department of Histology and Embryology Turkey. i am working on my thesis in experimental animals ovary, I am trying to finish after a couple of month. I want to do specialization in Germany. I read a lot of your advises, thank you very much. I already started a German language course, and I think I know on what I want to specialize in but I am a little bit confused how to choose the Universities. I think that we have to apply on many clinics but where can I find the list of empty residency positions, how to search and how to make a right desissen . Or I can apply where I think is good for me and waiting for the answer. I really don't know which place, which region is good for me, or in which clinic I have more chance to win my specialization. I think you understand me

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    The specialty training positions are not only at universities. They are at all sorts of hospitals all over the country. The positions are listed online and in the newspapers, as well as on the websites of the hospitals themselves. You will likely have more luck looking in rural areas and further East (except Berlin), but wherever you can get an interview -- take it! That will be your pathway into the German system, and you can branch out from there. But you will need the language in place first, before you can contact anyone to get things rolling.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    You will likely have more luck looking in rural areas and further East (except Berlin)...

    Good luck.
    Thank you for your answer,
    I understand, but what if I want to live in Berlin do I have any chanse? I mean, what are the conditions and criterums for working "in other" areas? For example I want to be in a university, I like resarch work, I have experience in some fileds, isit
    possible to get wat I want?
    Thank you.
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    Apply for what you want and where you want, obviously, but just be aware that the competition in Berlin is higher than many other locations. If you are a kick butt applicant and you speak great German, you might get hired in Berlin, but I have no way in hell of knowing whether or not that will work out for you.

    "Other areas" range from awesome (Köln, München, Heidelberg, Hamburg) to not so great (random other places). Germany is a sizable country with a broad spectrum of hospitals and places to work as a doctor. Attendings can range from fantastic to diabolical, sometimes within one clinic.

    You are asking for answers that nobody else can give you. Bust your butt and apply, that is the only way to find out whether or not it is possible.

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