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    Ph.D program in Otolaryngology

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    Hi everyone,
    I'm from an Asia country. I graduated medical university and had my Master degree in my country.
    Now I'm looking for an Ph.D program in my major - Otolaryngology. In term of some standards below, Could you please give me some advice of which country in Europe I should choose ? (or even non-Europe countries)
    1. the dissertation of Ph.D program is more related to clinical aspects.
    2. Free-Tuition or inexpensive tuition (less than 2000E per year)
    3. Life expense less than 500 E per month.
    4. A fair relationship between academic advisers and students
    Currently, I'm in a very pathetic situation when I made a wrong decision and went to a country that is inappropriate to my desire.
    Please you guys, saving my life by your wise advice.
    Thanks million times.

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    Anyone please help me with this. I'm looking for your advice everyday, but still a blank

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    Unfortunately, there is not a lot out there that meets your parameters. You are not likely to find a European country with post-grad tuition at that level. Either they will charge significantly more than that (E-EU), or they will charge no tuition at all (W-EU). To reiterate that, in E-EU they still often charge tuition for clinical training, while in W-EU they generally do not charge tuition for their post-grads.

    However, the biggest problem is that your opportunities will likely be limited by your citizenship (non-EU) and your language skills. As a non-EU citizen, your best opportunity for post-grad training in the EU would currently be Germany, but you would need to speak German at the B2 level (probably higher for otolaryngology, especially if you are wanting to do a PhD). The good thing about Germany is that they do not charge tuition for post-grad training, and they pay resident physicians for their work. You would earn several thousand Euros per month, meaning that your living expenses would not need to be limited to 500 Euros.

    Obviously, your native language will not work in any of the EU countries. Your English language skills will not help you, either, because the UK accepts virtually zero non-EU citizens into its training schemes. Ireland could have been a possibility a couple of years ago, but they have cut the opportunities for foreigners (and native physicians) dramatically because of the economic problems there. Other countries in the EU (France, Holland, Switzerland, Belgium, etc.) make it almost impossible to train there unless you are an EU citizen. There are certain exceptions, but they are extremely rare and do not appear to apply in your case.

    Now, you could apply for training in E-EU, but you would likely face tuition payments higher than 2000 Euros per year. In some E-EU countries you could certainly survive on 500 Euros/month, but you would also need to become passably fluent in the local language in order to function as a post-grad trainee. As an example, here in Bulgaria they offer language training (for an additional fee, of course) to incoming post-grad trainees from other countries, and I am sure that programs in most other E-EU countries offer something similar.

    However, this adds to the cost and difficulty of training there, and I cannot vouch for the "fair relationship between academic advisors and students" in any part of E-EU. That is an individual relationship, and -- especially in E-EU -- it depends almost completely on the personality, professionalism, ethics, and overall ability of the academic advisor.

    I don't know how much that helps, but I hope that it clarifies the situation somewhat, at least. Your options seem to be tied to learning an EU language (not English), finding foreigner-friendly programs in countries that speak that language, and then applying from there. Good luck...
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    Dear Devildoc8404,
    When i read the first half of your discussion, I feel so desperate. Then, the last part just lighten up some hopes and at least, I still have a chance.
    So, in conclusion, E-EU is the most possible region where I could find a PhD program there. I only know some countries which might provide PhD program in Medicine; e.g., Hungary, Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Switzerland. With your experience, is there any countries else except those above ?
    I have some other questions, and I would like to know your opinions.
    1. How about tuition fee for Ph.D program in E-EU?
    2. To learn local language for communication purposes, I think it's not a big deal. However, for the dissertation and learning programs, could they allow to use English?
    The last one is not about another question, but about my gratitude. I read many topics which had your views inside, and I believe that many people saved a lot of their time and had a clearer plan for those suggestions, just like me.
    Thanks a lot

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    Hmmmm. No, I stated quite clearly (I thought) that I would consider Germany to be the best opportunity... if you could find a position there, of course, as ENT is certainly competitive. They would not charge much tuition (if any at all) for the PhD, and they would actually pay you for your work as a resident. That is far better than anything in E-EU! However, again, it would require that you learn German to at least the B2 level.

    That is nothing new, though. All of the countries that you mentioned will require you to learn their language, and the most useful language internationally out of German, Hungarian, Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian is... obviously German.

    By the way, Switzerland does not belong on your list because 1) it is not located in E-EU, and 2) the Swiss almost never accept non-EU/UK/EEA citizens.

    Your questions:
    1. Every E-EU university has different fees. You will have to Google them and find out, I have absolutely no idea because I am not interested in specializing in E-EU. I am in Bulgaria, and happen to know that my university charges 5000 Euros per year for specialization (2011/12 figures), plus 3700 Euros for the Bulgarian language course. (That is highway robbery, by the way, when you pay no tuition in W-EU). That is unfortunately above your stated budget, and this is in Bulgaria, which is usually one of the cheaper options. Romania is probably the only cheaper place in E-EU, so you might look there.
    2. That language issue is a question ONLY for a potential dissertation advisor, and not for some random person like me on the internet. Again, I have absolutely no idea. I would have grave concerns about working with many professors at E-EU universities -- especially as a foreigner. I have far too many friends who have been screwed over by their research professors here -- not to mention my own headaches just trying to gather research data here -- to make that even remotely enticing as an option. You might note that W-EU countries sometimes have PhD programs specifically in English. You might look on PhD Programmes, Research Projects & Studentships in the UK & Europe to see if there is anything there for someone who is not an EU citizen.

    Thanks for your kind words, I appreciate it. Good luck to you!
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