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    vivek105 is offline Junior Member 512 points
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    Medical Education in Ukraine - low cost MD / MBBS

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    This is a great site. I was browsing and found little discussion on Medical Education on Ukraine. Hence this note. I am a counselor and I recently visited Ukraine; went to 3 cities –Kiev, Ivano and Ternopil and met 2-3 medical schools there with the objective of guiding students. The following are my views.

    There are 23 medical Universities in Ukraine
    About 5 or 6 are "National Medical Universities" - highest rank by the Ministry of Health / Education of Ukraine in terms of ranking.

    The next ranking is termed “State Medical University” followed by "Medical Academy" and "Medical Institute".

    In many Medical Universities of Ukraine they offer Medical education in English medium for ALL 6 years for international students.

    The medical course is also offered in Ukrainian and in Russian for local students. International students who choose to study in the local language first enroll in a one year local language course & then study medicine.

    English medium MD / MBBs / Medical Education is offered in Ivano-Frankivsk National Medical University, Ternopil State Medical University, Odessa, Lviv and several other medical Universities.

    Surprisingly the National Medical University in the capital Kiev – which is acknowledged as the “BEST” in Ukraine does not have a course in English - but it offers medical education in FRENCH and Russian & Ukranian.

    If a student enrolls in the English medium course, the University teaches you the local language in the 1st TWO years of your education as part of the course so you can talk to patients.


    The Medical Course takes 6 years (5 years and 10 months.)
    Entry requirement is 12 years of schooling with science or “A” level or equivalent.
    If you have "O" level then you join a preparatory course for one year and then join the 6 year medical program.
    The Degree offered is MD or “Doctor of Medicine” which is equal to the MBBS Degree in India, UK, Australia and other commonwealth countries.

    Tuition Fees range from US $ 3000 to 4500 p.a. - depending on the University and city. Which is really low as compared to the rest of Europe and certainly much cheaper than the West.
    Hostel cost is between US $ 500 to 700 per annum.
    Food & cost of life in the smaller cities is about 200 $ a month and US $ 300 to 400 in a big city like Kiev or Odessa or Lviv.

    A cost estimate of studying in Ivano-Frankivsk National Medical University in the city of Ivano-Frankivsk or Ternopil State Medical University in the city of Ternopil in Ukraine is given below: (2009)

    Fees = US $ 3000 p.a.
    Hostel = 550 $ p.a.
    Insurance = 100 $ p.a.
    Food etc = 2000 $ p.a.
    Total = 5650 US $ p.a.


    Grand Total = 33,900 US $ in 6 years.

    Put in some extra cost for holidays and travel and visa, airport pick up etc - your total expense in 6 years should not exceed 45,000 US $. This includes - fees + hostel + food + visa + pocket money etc

    Hostels are pretty basic. 2 or 3 students share a room. You can keep a TV / fridge / microwave etc - but you have to pay an extra charge. The University provides bed, chair, table and a cabinet and a mattress and pillow and blankets and a weekly change of linen. Rest you have to buy yourself. I visited some rooms in the Hostel. A few students had purchased carpets, curtains, wall paper and done the rooms up very well – esp. those girls from Poland!! There is central heating in all the rooms.

    You can move to a private apartment after one year -after you get used to the country and after you pick up the local language. Flats cost more than the hostel about 150 to 300 $ per month for a 2 or 3 bedroom apartment – but if you share the apartment – the cost will come down.

    Most students do self cooking. Canteens and restaurants are available in the study centers / hospitals / hostel. Ternopil has free laundry with 10 or 15 washing machines in the basement – the students give their clothes and washing powder and a Hostel employee washes it and the students pick it up next day. Ivano does not have this facility.

    Quality of education is GOOD. Most teaching Universities over over 50 years old and have facilities like Electron Microscopes, MRI scanners etc.

    Classes are held from Monday to Friday. They insist on 100% attendance. If you miss a class or if you are late - you pay a fine & make up the class on Saturday. If you miss many classes you are liable to be expelled ("Chislenya" - which happened to a few students).

    The University holds a class test every day (either Verbal or Written) and you get marked on that. They have semester exams in each subject.

    In the 3rd year and the 6th year a national level external exam (KROK) is conducted by a central authority. All students have to pass this exam in order to get a Medical Degree in Ukraine.

    Students are expected to read up on the next day’s lesson and go to class prepared and actively participate in the class. There is no “spoon feeding”. Teachers do help the enthusiastic and hard working student. But if you go to class without any preparation - don’t expect the teacher to rebuke you or spoon food you. The class size is small – about 6 to 10 students in a study group so quality is maintained.

    I spoke to many students from Asia there & they were happy with quality of education in Ivano-Frankivsk National Medical University, Ternopil State Medical University & in Lviv in Ukraine. Odessa was reportedly good – but the city is expensive. Students had many negative reports on Lugansk.

    In Ternopil if you miss one day’s class without a medical certificate - the fine is US $ 15. In Ivano you have to pay a fine of about US $ 8. So this is a great incentive not to Bunk classes!!


    Most International students were from Poland, India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Arabia, Malaysia, Sri Lanka etc. In Ternopil I saw a few students from US.

    In KievNationalAviationUniversity there were a LOT of students from mainland China.

    I think quite a few East European students are studying in Ukraine – esp. from Poland and neighboring countries.

    I also understand that students from FRANCE are studying in Kyiv in the NationalO.O.BogomoletsMedicalUniversity – as they teach the medical course in French.

    Apparently Ukraine has not been ‘discovered’ as yet by US and UK students. And students in Bulk from these two countries are not there – well not YET anyway.

    I found the local people quite decent in Ukraine. A few of them who spoke English were especially helpful and took me out and showed me the city. But if you cannot speak the local language then it is difficult to interact with the locals. The younger may know English – but not all know English and it is difficult to move in without language skills for the traveler.

    Alcohol is cheap and Girls are amazingly BEAUTIFUL!! So as a student get your priorities correct. Kiev is an expensive city. Ternopil and Ivano – two small cities are much more lower cost as compared to Kiev.

    If you go there - be willing to adjust. You will initially feel lost without knowing the local language. Once you learn the local language it is much easier to move around and make friends.

    Carry your passport at all times and keep a photocopy in your bags. Local cops are allowed to question you and inspect your papers and if you don't have it with you - you may have to pay a fine.

    1st year Admission begins from 1st of September to Nov. 15th. You have to cross the border by Nov. 15th in order to join in the current year. Visa processing begins from the 15th of August in all embassies of Ukraine. Most Universities have appointed agents to assist in admission, visa processing and airport pick up etc.

    To get a visa - you need to write to a MedicalSchool in Ukraine or to one of their agents with a scanned copy of your marks and your passport. They will arrange a "letter of invitation" for you. This is a document which goes to you with an email copy to the Ukraine embassy in your country. Apart from this other documents needed for visa issue are:
    a. Medical test as prescribed by the Embassy
    b. Translation of your class 12 mark sheet to Ukraine language.
    c. Translation of your birth certificate to Ukraine language.
    d. Medical Insurance for your travel to Ukraine.
    e. Original class 12 mark sheet - certified by the Govt / embassy of the country of issue.
    f. Original of birth certificate (or an affidavit in a court)

    You go to the embassy with all these documents, get a visa form, two photos & pay fees. The Fee & documents needed for visa is usually displayed in the Embassy notice board. The embassy has an authorized medical officer for medical check up and a list of translators who will help you with the translations. Complete the form, pay the fees, get the documents completed and then go to the Embassy for a visa interview. In the interview they will ask you questions on Ukraine, your school and your subject and then give you the visa or reject the visa. Sometimes a visa gets rejected if the they feel that you are not a genuine student. They are trying to weed out potential immigrants to the EU - as Ukraine borders the EU. If you are a genuine student, have complete documents and answer the questions properly – you need not have any worry about the issue of the visa.

    After you get your visa - before you fly to Ukraine. Inform the University of your flight number, place, date and time of arrival so that they will inform the immigration to let you through the border / port of arrival.

    You must get someone to meet you in the airport and take you to the school and show you the place. At times the University does this. Or they have appointed agents who can do this for a fee.

    Ukraine is part of the 41 countries with the ECTS (European Credit Transfer Scheme) and it is possible to transfer your credits to another college in Europe. So some Students do come from the EU and study in Ukraine for 2 or 3 years and then transfer to another EU country. Others complete their entire 6 years in Ukraine.

    All Medical Universities are owned by the Government of Ukraine and are listed in the WHO and IMED directories. Students interested in working in US or UK or in India are eligible to give the USMLE or PLAB or MCI Screening test after graduating from Ukraine. By the same token they will be eligible for the competency tests in Australia, Canada, Singapore, UAE etc.

    For the Budget student seeking low cost Medical education – MBBS or MD; Ukraine is a GREAT destination.

    The QUALITY of education Good and you are getting a GREAT DEAL because these Universities are owned by the Government and not the private sector. The same University in Western Europe would cost you 20,000 $ a year!!

    Both Ternopil and Ivano are lovely cities and you can fall in love with the place. They have broad footpaths in the center of the city. A central lake & parks are there. Lovely churches. The buildings are old and have lovely architecture.

    Supermarkets are good for packaged food - great salads. The local bazaar and wet markets offers shopping at lower prices.

    A site on Ivano-Frankivsk National MedicalUniversity in Ukraine is: www.ifnmu.com

    Best of luck with your education!!
    Last edited by vivek105; 07-19-2009 at 06:16 AM. Reason: grammar

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    Thanks for your nice information.

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    Vivek hi,

    Thank you for all those info.. So that we found someone knowlegable about those schools, may I ask a couple of questions? I personally dont know anything about them and if you shed some more light on details, I really will be grateful:

    How old are the English programs, I mean every one of them?
    From your point of view, is there any quality difference between native programs and English programs? Or are they approximately even in the quality of education?
    Also what is the population of the classes (not the study groups)? This is important if we will take some lectures as a whole class.. or may be the students take all of the lectures only as study groups? Which one, do you know?
    How are the academical staff qualities/quantities? For instance how many profs do each of the schools have, at least approximately?
    And one last question; can you clarify the teaching setting qualities/quantities of the schools? How many teaching hospitals they have and what is the bed no/yearly inpatient no/outpatient no? And do the native and English program student make the rotations/clerkship in the same teaching settings?
    How are the populations of them in native programs/English programs approximately?

    Those are very specific questions I know and I dont wait for an answer for all of them.. but if possible as much as you can will be highly appreciated
    Thanks again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivek105 View Post

    Apparently Ukraine has not been ‘discovered’ as yet by US and UK students. And students in Bulk from these two countries are not there – well not YET anyway.
    maybe because diploma is not recognised in European Union. Don't forget to tell it. Ukrainian MD is like Russian one , offering very few possibilitities in Europe (even PLAB way is narrowing ore and more now )

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    I am such an idiot haha.. I didnt notice the date and take the words of vivek as she talked just yesterday.. thanks chapelier, your words are clarifying the situation of the Ukranian schools at large.

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    Recognition of Degrees in US / UK and EU

    Quote Originally Posted by chapelier View Post
    maybe because diploma is not recognised in European Union. Don't forget to tell it. Ukrainian MD is like Russian one , offering very few possibilitities in Europe (even PLAB way is narrowing ore and more now )

    Chapelier: Not sure if you are aware or not. But heregoes

    1. All countries recognize their own degrees in medicine
    2. They recognize degrees from other countries as well - based on a competency test
    3. Some countries want a language test as well

    Many students from Ukraine have given PLAB and USMLE and moved there.

    In low cost countries you get a low cost degree.
    For a job and moving to another country you need to comply with the host country's laws

    Regards
    Sergei and epimed like this.

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    1. Of course countries recognize their own degrees in medicine... but why would someone from away want to practice in Ukraine? I don't mean that in a pejorative manner, but rather with a keen eye on significant socioeconomic factors.

    2. & 3. Competency tests are not required between many EU nations, as long as you can speak the language. Yeah, language is a significant element for obvious reasons.

    However, there is a big difference between POSSIBLY being able to practice someplace, and having an essentially pre-approved medical degree to practice someplace. To suggest that the practice opportunities in the EU are the same for an EU grad and a Ukrainian grad is ignorant at best, and an outright falsehood at worst.

    A Ukrainian English-program grad is ELIGIBLE to practice in many of the states of the USA, as well, but that presupposes passing all of the USMLE steps and actually matching into a residency program. It's possible, but it ain't exactly likely for a significant number of graduates. Note also that they will never be eligible for a California license, among other states that follow the CMB list to some degree or other.


    Quote Originally Posted by vivek105 View Post
    Chapelier: Not sure if you are aware or not. But heregoes

    1. All countries recognize their own degrees in medicine
    2. They recognize degrees from other countries as well - based on a competency test
    3. Some countries want a language test as well

    Many students from Ukraine have given PLAB and USMLE and moved there.

    In low cost countries you get a low cost degree.
    For a job and moving to another country you need to comply with the host country's laws

    Regards
    Last edited by devildoc8404; 09-27-2011 at 02:08 PM.
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    hey i m frm india.looking for post-graduation in ukraine.can u tell me how long is an md course tre.also are tre any diploma courses.wat are future prospects for job in ukraine

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