Thread: TeAMS at the Technion

Can you guys please give me the pros and cons of going into the TeAMS MD program (Technion)? Let's keep them precise and the format uniform, for example:

Pros:

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Cons:

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Originally Posted by student3

Truthbearer,
e-mail me technionstudent2 on gmail.com. i have info your intrested in.

I have sent you an email. Curious to hear what this "info" is.

If you want a list of all the negatives, please see the thread I started entitled "Truth about teams", and view the PDFs that I attached......valuemd deleted my post, so please PM me for details.


I mentioned the exact same problems that you (student_number_9) mentioned below, and more. There are many people even more disgruntled with the Technion than me, and that is saying something. I have discussed the following issue at length with a few of my peers. The only way there will be real and lasting change is if the Technion starts hiring qualified and competent Americans to administer and teach in the program. How many American doctors are in the hospitals here that teach us? If one is not fluent in Hebrew, they will lose a lot from the educational experience during rotations. The format of Sackler is like an American program. The Technion needs to take accountability for failing its students, and they need to copy Sackler's working formula. Should the Technion actively target and outbid Sackler staff for employment? Shelf exams would also be a nice and EFFORTLESS start, but the Technion tests are "far superior" to any American test. This type of arrogance is asinine, and it only hurts the students. Teaching the classes in blocks would be far superior than a 4-5 week finals nightmare. Have I made myself clear?

I still do not understand why people are trying to sweep the dirt under the rug with personal attacks. Thank goodness a few of us have some integrity. I am not qualified to run a medical school, and I do not have all the answers for improving the program. If I was qualified to run a medical school, and if I had even some of the answers, then I would apply for such a position, certainly not at the Technion. The problems are system-wide and the problems stick out like a pink elephant. Some of us are choosing to be whistleblowers, while others are trying to hush us up. As for our friend affiliated with Harvard, he has certainly not been truthful with us, but we can be merciful, give him a break and hope he starts doing the right thing from now on in life. As for our other friend who is currently finishing up his residency, I am not really sure why he is on these forums either. If I was preparing myself for a prestigious fellowship or attending position, I would not be on the forums with multiple accounts attacking frustrated and wronged medical students, many of which will encounter great adversity in securing a residency while managing an increasing debtload. If I were nearing the end of residency, I would be busy proving myself to every nurse, PA, resident, and attending physician around me.

It turns out both of our friends have been permanently banned from valuemd for using multiple accounts even after being warned not to use multiple accounts.

I am hopeful that prospective students out there are reading these forums, and are getting a feeling for how messy things really are at the Technion. Stating inconvenient truths is not slanderous. It is just that, inconvenient.

Please keep all the personal attacks to an absolute minimum, and keep these threads productive in helping to warn prospective students from coming to the Technion. I hope the moderators will delete only the inappropriate posts, and not the entire thread. Otherwise, it would appear that valuemd is acting in collusion with the Technion. Clearly the Technion is paying valuemd for advertising space, so in my opinion there is a massive conflict of interest. Removing threads that expose inconvenient truths about the Technion is highly fraudulent activity.

Here is an advertisement from the Technion on valuemd's website:

Offshore Medical School
MD & PhD. Eligible US Federal Loans Clinical & USMLE Curriculum. Israel Md.Technion.ac.il

Very misleading as the program is hardly designed around the USMLE and it is a modified Israeli program.

I personally believe that it would be a disasterous decision for a prospective student to choose the Technion. This is not slanderous, but this is just my personal opinion.

If you were my son or daughter, I would not allow you to attend the Technion for medical school, period. End of discussion.

Originally Posted by student_number_9

HDE342,

You have very strong opinions, it would help your cause if you gave a list of negatives.

i have clearly stated the calendar issue, thesis lack of advising etc as problems (before the last thread was shut down)

if you want to make a real change list something that you think needs fixing.

i will state for the record once again if the school intends to run an American program then they MUST run it on the American time line. not to mention give American exams, midterms etc.

hde342 - you should read my private message to you. I graduated from a well-known American medical school. There were people who cheated as well. A fair amount. But in the end, you have to take the boards, do rotations, etc. So be a normal person, shut up, and concentrate on yourself and why you haven't taken your exams yet.
It is bizarre that you will ask each other pros and cons of your own medical school in public forums. I'm telling you, as a resident, NYROB was completely right. You are all coming across as complainers and you certainly wouldn't last in my program here in DC with the kind of stuff you are airing on public forums. That is reprehensible and maybe you shouldn't be residents to begin with. That's it - I'm done. I hope you heed my and NYRobs advice and concentrate on yourselves rather than complain and hang dirty laundry on public threads. It actually ends up making YOU look bad, not the school.

I'm totally serious - I have no dog in the game. I'm just telling you how you are coming across and I am frankly shocked that you are lacking the insight and objectivity to see that - so I'm telling you. You need to talk to your class privately, go talk to the administration - whatever, but stop your ranting. You look like a complainer - legitimate or not, you DON'T want to come across that way.

User can't play nice.

I am a medical student in the Technion American Medical Students Program. If you are a prospective TeAMS student and have questions about the program, feel free to contact me directly via the Gmail address listed on my laboratory website.

Respectfully,
D. Rоberson
Neural Plasticity Research Group

Student number 9: your
post has proven my point better than I could have ever done so myself. Boohoooo! Waaaaaaa! Cry me a river. The system clearly worked because you aren't cut out for a residency as you have demonstrated.
You wanted constructive advice- I gave it. Shut up. If you have a problem, talking about it on some random public forum isn't going to do squat.

And D ********: your egotistical misrepresentations and compensatory self-aggrandizement are just as sad.

"***** ********"- your self aggrandizement and false representations are just as bad.

Could be, could definitely be. People certainly have been rousing some rabble on these threads!

Additionally, while the "Bulgarian school" comment seems to have been intended as a swipe, I think you are about accurate. In my class there will probably be about 5-6 students (out of 17) applying for the US Match... the rest of the class hails from other parts of the world and don't plan to take the USMLE steps at all. More than one of us had better match, though!

One of the things that makes me laugh about the TEAMS thread is that there appear to be a lot of comparisons between admin there, and admin here.

Originally Posted by Truthbearer

Devildoc - perhaps. I think the person is just rabble rousing though. But I agree with you about the Teams soap opera. I'm wondering if the admin will now wake up and make some changes, as clearly their first year match disaster was almost like a Bulgarian school or something!
Only 5 students entering the match? Crazy....

Truthbearer - It is difficult for me too see past your blatant lack of professionalism for a so-called resident. Why are you trying to garner favor with your chief resident by pompously invading this thread? You sound a bit like 378rpd with your sycophantic behavior. My residency status and academic status is not of concern. The purpose of this thread is to WARN and PROTECT prospective students from making a terrible decision by choosing to join the Technion. Maybe, and just maybe, this will force the Technion to make radical changes, but I would not count on it. Once again, the only defenders of the Technion are those that have no clue what the TeAMS program really is. In case your short-term memory is failing you, and I am specifically addressing those that are trying to discredit my claims, let me reiterate that the purpose of this thread is to WARN and PROTECT prospective students from making a terrible decision by choosing to join the Technion.

I genuinely hope that people deserving of a residency will find one.

Originally Posted by Truthbearer

hde342 - you should read my private message to you. I graduated from a well-known American medical school. There were people who cheated as well. A fair amount. But in the end, you have to take the boards, do rotations, etc. So be a normal person, shut up, and concentrate on yourself and why you haven't taken your exams yet.
It is bizarre that you will ask each other pros and cons of your own medical school in public forums. I'm telling you, as a resident, NYROB was completely right. You are all coming across as complainers and you certainly wouldn't last in my program here in DC with the kind of stuff you are airing on public forums. That is reprehensible and maybe you shouldn't be residents to begin with. That's it - I'm done. I hope you heed my and NYRobs advice and concentrate on yourselves rather than complain and hang dirty laundry on public threads. It actually ends up making YOU look bad, not the school.

I'm totally serious - I have no dog in the game. I'm just telling you how you are coming across and I am frankly shocked that you are lacking the insight and objectivity to see that - so I'm telling you. You need to talk to your class privately, go talk to the administration - whatever, but stop your ranting. You look like a complainer - legitimate or not, you DON'T want to come across that way.

Originally Posted by 378rpd

I am a medical student in the Technion American Medical Students Program. If you are a prospective TeAMS student and have questions about the program, feel free to contact me directly via the Gmail address listed on my laboratory website.

Respectfully,
D. Rоberson
Neural Plasticity Research Group

This website is very telling. ******** is a "graduate dissertation fellow" in a Boston lab, which leads me to believe that he is getting his PhD from Technion and just doing some/all of the research in the US. This is quite common. Then, of course, the content of the webpage seems to be supplied by ******** himself too.

Just another part of his misrepresentations and dishonesty. Looks like he belongs at Technion...

Originally Posted by TEAMS

This website is very telling. ******** is a "graduate dissertation fellow" in a Boston lab, which leads me to believe that he is getting his PhD from Technion and just doing some/all of the research in the US. This is quite common. Then, of course, the content of the webpage seems to be supplied by ******** himself too.

Just another part of his misrepresentations and dishonesty. Looks like he belongs at Technion...

I'm glad you are catching on TEAMS. ******** is full of it beyond belief. Perhaps if I took a dump in the Yale library, I can add "Yale Scholar" onto my resume'.