Thread: IUHS and Licensing

I talked to our expert on licensing and can pass on how IUHS approaches US licensing. Licensure must evaluate the IUHS preclinical program that consists of two overlapping components; one component is a bi-directional interactive webcasting learning platform and the second component consists of professors, mentors, preceptors, proctors, and student support staff that interact frequently and directly with students.There are two answers.

Firstly, here is info on our graduates’ success to date. In the US, IUHS has MD graduates in Residency Programs in 12 states. IUHS also has MD graduates who have completed their postgraduate training and have obtained licensure in 4 states. Other IUHS graduates have attained their specialty board certification and consequent licensure.

Secondly, IUHS assists students and graduates to prepare residency and licensing applications. IUHS does not get pre-approval nor can IUHS speak for states’ licensing bodies to make the declaration of IUHS acceptance. Putting it simply, the MD graduate only, not the medical school itself, can get an assessment of his/hers medical education as a component of his/hers entire licensing application. I am pleased to report that not a single IUHS MD graduate has been refused a state license.

Originally Posted by Communications Officer

I talked to our expert on licensing and can pass on how IUHS approaches US licensing. Licensure must evaluate the IUHS preclinical program that consists of two overlapping components; one component is a bi-directional interactive webcasting learning platform and the second component consists of professors, mentors, preceptors, proctors, and student support staff that interact frequently and directly with students.There are two answers.

Firstly, here is info on our graduates’ success to date. In the US, IUHS has MD graduates in Residency Programs in 12 states. IUHS also has MD graduates who have completed their postgraduate training and have obtained licensure in 4 states. Other IUHS graduates have attained their specialty board certification and consequent licensure.

Secondly, IUHS assists students and graduates to prepare residency and licensing applications. IUHS does not get pre-approval nor can IUHS speak for states’ licensing bodies to make the declaration of IUHS acceptance. Putting it simply, the MD graduate only, not the medical school itself, can get an assessment of his/hers medical education as a component of his/hers entire licensing application. I am pleased to report that not a single IUHS MD graduate has been refused a state license.

Are you at liberty to name the four states where they are licensed?

Secondly, IUHS assists students and graduates to prepare residency and licensing applications. IUHS does not get pre-approval nor can IUHS speak for states’ licensing bodies to make the declaration of IUHS acceptance. Putting it simply, the MD graduate only, not the medical school itself, can get an assessment of his/hers medical education as a component of his/hers entire licensing application. I am pleased to report that not a single IUHS MD graduate has been refused a state license.[/quote]

How many graduates are there from IUHS to date?

1. what are the twelve states iuhs have residents in?

2. of those twelve states, which ones have residents that did your distance/online learning program?

3. of the 4 states that have grads with unrestricted full licenses, which ones have grads that did your distance learning/online program?

In approaching licensing bodies, the candidate must do so at the correct time and with the correct information. The correct time is when the candidate is applying for licensure. The correct information is that the candidate has achieved an appropriate level of education as evidenced by grades and recommendations from teachers and administrators. The candidate should also describe the learning environment in which the candidate was educated. The IUHS learning environment involves frequent and direct interaction of students with professors, mentors, preceptors, proctors, student support staff, and administrators in the process of education and administrative activities. This interaction occurs face to face (at biannual meetings and during training for clinical skills on the campus in St. Kitts), via letters, telephone calls and emails, telephone conferencing for the Cases of the Week (CoW), and through our bi-directional interactive webcasting learning platform that facilitates direct access of students to teachers and teachers to students. We have an enriched learning environment that few physical classrooms have. No learning environment is inherently enriched or impoverished; this distinction depends on the commitment and imagination of the medical school.
We cannot afford to have licensing bodies who give our students licensure bothered by other students who approach these bodies incorrectly. If so bothered, the licensing bodies will naturally lose patience with our medical school but more importantly with our students. The main question is not how many and what states have given approval to our students on application for licensure, but how many are likely to do so. The answer is about 35 at the present time.

so you are unwilling to give me a direct answer to those 4 questions?

Well Scott, I can understand his resistance. He does not know your true intentions, let it be good or bad. Or the intentions of anyone reading this thread. He is trying to protect the best interest of its graduates, in a rather unorthodox way, but that is his job. He does not know if you or anyone else really want to go onto these states and portray IUHS strcitly as an online education outlet, sending the wrong message is pretty easy to do.

Let's remember these folks took the same board test we all did, they passed them, they did clinical rotations the licensed grads not only did that but also finished their residencies and were found competent otherwise we would have known by now. A matter of trust, the school rep. is in no position to trust you the same way you are in no position to trust him if the information given to the states involved was in fact transparent. In other words if the states involved specifically asked if any portion of your studies was conducted by correspondence or online and the candidtaes said no, then there is a problem. On the same token if the question is not asked then fair game is fair, no harms done.

Our friend from Canada can tell us if I am right or wrong in my opinion.

I sound more like the moderator here. that is scary!

point taken, but it really doesnt help provide significant help for potential students. its kind of asking them to go into this program on faith.

ill rephrase my questions to eliminate the issue of someone contacting state boards, etc.

1. of the 12 states that you have residents in..... how many of those states have residents that did your online/distance learning program?

2. of the 4 states that you have alumni fully licensed in..... how many of those states have alum licensed that did your online/distance learning program?

3. how many graduates of your distance learning/online program are in residency?

4. how many graduates of your distance learning/online program are fully licensed?

i tried to keep the questions only about numbers.

The reasons outlined by the C.O. and GMax for not canvassing the Boards in advance of a real application are certainly plausible given the politics of distance learning.
Yet, could the Communications Officer at least give some further explanation of how the figure of 35 amenable states was arrived at - given that he has understandably eschewed a direct trawl?
There is no need to name names if he'd rather not do so. But, as has been said, there's a lot to be taken purely on trust here and anything which could clarify his optimism would further the cause of his school (and of distance learning).
It's especially difficult for us, having been told repeatedly here how vehemently opposed the majority of state boards are to even a very small amount of d-l, to believe that 35/50 are likely to issue full licenses.
I hope it is true though!

i reworded the questions. any chance of getting those numbers C.O.? thanks.