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Old 04-22-2008, 08:19 PM
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The fact that chemist is an as an 18y/o undergrad student means nothing. His A level qualifications indicate that he is qualified to be a medical student in the British system. He needs no more experience or exposure to what ever learning methods you are expousing to be able to make a decision about what is really a very bad medical school. He no doubt is attending a proper medical school, and therefore understands what a decent medical school and quality medical education is about.

I taught at IUHS and I am telling the world that it a ridiculous place as medical schools go. Because IUHS Grads are passing standardized exams, does not make the school a proper institution of learning. Medical education is far more than passing the USMLE exam. Anyone with a whisper of commonsense can pass USMLE especially when you are well verses in “alteranitave learning methods” and “telovidieo conferancing.” The IUHS way is to maximize profits by not providing proper facilities , faculty etc inter aliaque.

IUHS may be a ridiculous place and you may or may not be an ex professor(?) of IUHS, the fact is that both methods work well although they are not for everyone. Now, as people who have done good research know, ex IUHS professors or employees are now involved in other similar ventures like OUM, VCM and the new one called AMU in Philipines. So there is nothing to prove if you are genuine or not.

Besides, I didnt think that respectable and genuine professors had so much time on their hands to be posting on forums like these unless of course they have something to gain!!

"Anyone with a whisper of commonsense can pass USMLE" - amazing claim, please tell this to all the residency PDs and those who actually took this exam and passed it!
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Cdm, often the human brain is not fully developed at 18, it takes time and life experience.
PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR OPINION WITH STATISTICS AND RELEVANT STUDIES.



I heard an American Dean say that too and then was amazed when the 18 year old in his class beat everyone going and coming, and ACED his exam with 100%.

This is why the American model of education is better than the UK and others because it allows the individual to grow as a person before they enter any professional field i.e. Medicine, Dentistry, Law, etc

SO THEN ALL THE DOCTORS TRAINED IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE INFERIOR TO USA TRAINED DOCTORS?
PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR OPINION WITH STATISTICS AND RELEVANT STUDIES.

The UK system has to spoon feed their future professionals because they are fresh out of high school and like in any teenager, often the raging hormones are in control rather than their own self. So it is often difficult for someone at that age to realize things that are beyond their narrow view of the world. Again, life experience will slowly change some things as they and their brain grow to their full potential.


HAVE YOU BEEN EDUCATED IN THE UK SYSTEM? I DON’T THINK SO. SO YOU CANT SPEAK ABOUT IT. THERE IS NO SPOON FEEDING IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM.

I WENT TO A BRITISH MEDICAL SCHOOL & I HAVE TAUGHT IN SEVERAL AMERICAN TYPE MEDICAL SCHOOLS. I CAN TELL YOU OF THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH SYSTEM

YOUR POST DOES NOT INDICATE THAT YOU ARE REALIZING THINGS BEYOND YOUR NARROW VIEW OF THE WORLD

YOUR POST DOES NOT INDICATE THAT ALL OF YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCES HAS CAUSED YOUR BRAIN TO GROW TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL.

The other side of the independent study pathway in basic sciences issue that no one seems to offer on this forum is as follows:

In my view, a person who is capable of learning and passing all the licensing exams via the independent study pathway is more well prepared for life as a doctor than some 18 yr old who has to be spoon fed all the material so that they can go back home and do the homework given to them.


AS YOU SAID THAT IS YOUR VIEW. YOU OBVIOUSLY CALL PASSING ON THE EXPERIENCES OF THE TEACHER SPOON FEEDING – it is not!
THERE IS ROOM FOR INDEPENDENT STUDY—BUT SUPERVISION IS NEEDED.

WHY ARE YOU LOOKING DOWN ON 18 YEAR OLD?
WHO TOLD YOU HE HAS BEEN SPOONFED?
DO YOU REALIZE THAT HIS A LEVEL QUALIFICATIONS SURPASS THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL YOU COVER IN YOUR BSc IN THE USA IN EACH SUGJECT AREA?

YOU ARE ADJUDICATING WITHOUT A SOUND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FACTS SIR.
As a doctor you have to be prepared to be a life long self learner because you will not have anyone to spoon feed you once you are out of med school. The PBL independent study pathway, besides teaching the basic sciences effectively, will also make the student a self learner without relying just on what is taught in a class room.

ARE YOU A DOCTOR?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE EMMINENT BRITISH TRAINED DOCTORS WHO STARTED MED SCHOOL AT AGE 17-18 ARE NOT LIFE LONG LEARNERS AND HAVE ONLY RELIED ON WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THE CLASSROOM?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT AFTER 30 YEARS AS A DOCTOR I AM NOT A LIFE LONG LEARNER? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM READING DAILY WITHOUT SPOONFEEDING?
YOUR LOGIC IS SKEWED


I think both methods work, but as Genossa mentioned somewhere, it has to be done responsibly. There should be good quality assurance program in place
THERE WAS NONE WHEN I TAUGHT AT IUHS ALTHOUGH THE FOUR OF US WERE GOOD TEACHERS
and yes, although the anatomy labs may or may not help, it would be good for the students who havent been in healthcare, prior to enrollment, to at least see a cadaver.

HOW WILL A PERSON WHO HAS NOT BEEN IN HEALTHCARE PRIOR TO ENROLLMENT BE BETTER OF BY SEEING A CADAVER

Re Anyone with a whisper of commonsense can pass USMLE" - amazing claim, please tell this to all the residency PDs and those who actually took this exam and passed it!

I TOOK AND PASSED USMLE AND I HAVE SEEN MANY UWI GRADS (BRITISH TRAINED) DONE STEPS 1 2 3 WITH JUST THEIR UWI TRAINING WITH NO KAPLAN COURSE ETC.


I HAVE ALSO TAUGHT LESS THAN STELLAR STUDENTS WHO HAVE PASSED THE USMLE
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Cdm, often the human brain is not fully developed at 18, it takes time and life experience.
PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR OPINION WITH STATISTICS AND RELEVANT STUDIES.

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I heard an American Dean say that too and then was amazed when the 18 year old in his class beat everyone going and coming, and ACED his exam with 100%.


Which American Dean and which medical school in the US admits 18 year olds. I admit, I do not know whether American medical schools will or will not admit 18 year old students, so please enlighten me, Professor. And which student in medical school got 100% in exams. Please prove it


This is why the American model of education is better than the UK and others because it allows the individual to grow as a person before they enter any professional field i.e. Medicine, Dentistry, Law, etc

SO THEN ALL THE DOCTORS TRAINED IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE INFERIOR TO USA TRAINED DOCTORS?
PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR OPINION WITH STATISTICS AND RELEVANT STUDIES.

For a so called professor like yourself, it is remarkable that you do not know how to interpret words. Read the sentence again and then post your question. There is more to medicine than passing A levels, which by the way does not teach more than an American BSc. I challenge you to prove this, which I am sure you cannot.

The UK system has to spoon feed their future professionals because they are fresh out of high school and like in any teenager, often the raging hormones are in control rather than their own self. So it is often difficult for someone at that age to realize things that are beyond their narrow view of the world. Again, life experience will slowly change some things as they and their brain grow to their full potential.

HAVE YOU BEEN EDUCATED IN THE UK SYSTEM? I DON’T THINK SO. SO YOU CANT SPEAK ABOUT IT. THERE IS NO SPOON FEEDING IN THE BRITISH SYSTEM.

YES, this is why I know.

I WENT TO A BRITISH MEDICAL SCHOOL & I HAVE TAUGHT IN SEVERAL AMERICAN TYPE MEDICAL SCHOOLS. I CAN TELL YOU OF THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH SYSTEM

Please post the names of the schools and your details so that I can verify with those schools.

YOUR POST DOES NOT INDICATE THAT YOU ARE REALIZING THINGS BEYOND YOUR NARROW VIEW OF THE WORLD

More than mine, it is amazing that a so called medical school professor has the time to post on these websites and furthermore, has not been able to counter my arguments in any intelligent way apart from trying to blindly question what I posted. Any respectable professor who supposedly taught in many medical schools in US/UK and with a broad view of the world, would never even bother to get onto to a website like this in the first place.

This brings me to the point I made in my previous post and, I will have an upper hand in this claim until you post your real name and details for everyone on this forum to verify, that you are an ex IUHS employee who was either fired or resigned and now you are involved with another med school. You are on this website simply to promote your new school and trash the others.


The other side of the independent study pathway in basic sciences issue that no one seems to offer on this forum is as follows:

In my view, a person who is capable of learning and passing all the licensing exams via the independent study pathway is more well prepared for life as a doctor than some 18 yr old who has to be spoon fed all the material so that they can go back home and do the homework given to them.

AS YOU SAID THAT IS YOUR VIEW. YOU OBVIOUSLY CALL PASSING ON THE EXPERIENCES OF THE TEACHER SPOON FEEDING – it is not!
THERE IS ROOM FOR INDEPENDENT STUDY—BUT SUPERVISION IS NEEDED.

WHY ARE YOU LOOKING DOWN ON 18 YEAR OLD?
WHO TOLD YOU HE HAS BEEN SPOONFED?
DO YOU REALIZE THAT HIS A LEVEL QUALIFICATIONS SURPASS THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL YOU COVER IN YOUR BSc IN THE USA IN EACH SUGJECT AREA?

Supervision?? Well, of course, I forgot that you can run to your professor when you are in private practice to ask questions and clear your doubts. Once again, TOTALLY false post that an American BSc is not even equal to a UK A-level!! I would be interested to find out what Americans have to say about this one. I was educated in both the systems and I know that your claims are basless and outright lies.

YOU ARE ADJUDICATING WITHOUT A SOUND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FACTS SIR.

Why do you assume I'm a male? Is it because you think women cannot challenge your baseless claims on this website?

As a doctor you have to be prepared to be a life long self learner because you will not have anyone to spoon feed you once you are out of med school. The PBL independent study pathway, besides teaching the basic sciences effectively, will also make the student a self learner without relying just on what is taught in a class room.

ARE YOU A DOCTOR?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE EMMINENT BRITISH TRAINED DOCTORS WHO STARTED MED SCHOOL AT AGE 17-18 ARE NOT LIFE LONG LEARNERS AND HAVE ONLY RELIED ON WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THE CLASSROOM?
ARE YOU SAYING THAT AFTER 30 YEARS AS A DOCTOR I AM NOT A LIFE LONG LEARNER? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM READING DAILY WITHOUT SPOONFEEDING?
YOUR LOGIC IS SKEWED

No where in my post did I say that any eminent UK doctor is not good. Once again, read the post properly. In fact, if you read it properly, you will see that I mention that both systems have one thing in common and that is self learning. Without this, you wont win in either system. I never posted anything about what you are reading. My logic is not skewed. If ones mind is skewed then it will of course sound skewed.

I think both methods work, but as Genossa mentioned somewhere, it has to be done responsibly. There should be good quality assurance program in place THERE WAS NONE WHEN I TAUGHT AT IUHS ALTHOUGH THE FOUR OF US WERE GOOD TEACHERS

Well, of course, you would say you were the best teacher. No one admits they are bad. If you really teached there then please post your details so that everyone reading this forum can verify.

and yes, although the anatomy labs may or may not help, it would be good for the students who havent been in healthcare, prior to enrollment, to at least see a cadaver.

HOW WILL A PERSON WHO HAS NOT BEEN IN HEALTHCARE PRIOR TO ENROLLMENT BE BETTER OF BY SEEING A CADAVER

Posting a response to this will be an insult to the so called Professor of Medicine with 30 yrs of experience You clearly should know the answer to this.

Re Anyone with a whisper of commonsense can pass USMLE" - amazing claim, please tell this to all the residency PDs and those who actually took this exam and passed it!

I TOOK AND PASSED USMLE AND I HAVE SEEN MANY UWI GRADS (BRITISH TRAINED) DONE STEPS 1 2 3 WITH JUST THEIR UWI TRAINING WITH NO KAPLAN COURSE ETC.

I HAVE ALSO TAUGHT LESS THAN STELLAR STUDENTS WHO HAVE PASSED THE USMLE
Yea, right. Please post your real name, details of where you studied and teached so that I can verify that you are genuine. Until then, it is very easy to hide behind the user name posing as a so called Professor with 30 years of experience

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Yea, right. Please post your real name, details of where you studied and teached so that I can verify that you are genuine. Until then, it is very easy to hide behind the user name posing as a so called Professor with 30 years of experience

You have the resources and time to properly verify any personal info he gives you?? Really? Impressive!


In any case, for me, his past posts are sufficient "proof".
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The fact that chemist is an as an 18y/o undergrad student means nothing. His A level qualifications indicate that he is qualified to be a medical student in the British system. He needs no more experience or exposure to what ever learning methods you are expousing to be able to make a decision about what is really a very bad medical school. He no doubt is attending a proper medical school, and therefore understands what a decent medical school and quality medical education is about.
Thank you Ls!

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You have the resources and time to properly verify any personal info he gives you?? Really? Impressive!


In any case, for me, his past posts are sufficient "proof".

WOW, so what you are saying is if I say that I have teached at this school or any other school and post any garbage on this website, then you would simply believe it. Amazing

Yes, as a prospective med student, I do have the time to investigate. There are plenty of resources out there that can be used if the person in question can post the details.

If you haven't already enrolled in a med school or are looking to apply to one in the Carib or any foreign country, hope you will investigate it yourself from various sources rather than simply believing people on this forum including myself.

As I said in my earlier post, I'm not a med student and I'm looking at all the Carib schools, not just IUHS, SGU, Ross or SABA.
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This whole thread started with the multi-degreed Rosa wanting a quick path to an MD by getting credit for previous studies. These days no medical school with licensed grads has advanced standing or gives credit for previous education that was not part of a WHO listed medical school program. You have to have transfereable credits. This includes IUHS - I confirmed this for other reasons - so I don't know why s/he says IUHS will help them achieve an MD unless they are prepared to do the full four years.
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