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Old 04-20-2008, 01:41 PM
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I don't quite understand how you intend on seeking career advancement with an MD, which isn't even good enough for you to qualify for licensure?
Do some research before you post dude. There are licensed IUHS grads who are practicing in states like GA, IL, WA, AZ, MD, etc If you do some good research, you will be able to find them.

You can cry all you want on these websites but the fact is that this school will continue to exist forever like it has for the past 8 years. They now have branches in Dubai and India. The US is not the only country in the world to practice dude. Many western countries like Australia, European nations, New Zealand, UK accept online basic science curriculum of OUM and IUHS. As long as the grads pass the local licensing exams and get trained in a residency, they will be allowed to practice in those countries.

All 50 states will not ban this school or any others that offer this type of education. Many states have acute shortage of doctors where US grads and even some of the top Carib school grads will not go. This is a fact that cannot be denied. Most people who post on these websites are urban people who probably never lived in remote rural towns in the US. Besides, this is the future, like it or not. Better get used to it as US schools have to adapt, if not now then in the distant future, due to the cost effectiveness both to the school and the student.

In the future, you may even see migration out of the US to countries like Australia, UK, etc US is in almost 10 trillion $ debt and China and India are rising. So this time, the US recovery may not be so easy as it was in the previous recessions or depressions. The world has changed a lot in the past 10 years.

So dont assume that everyone who goes to this school wants to practice in the US. Even if they want, there will always be states that will let them in.

Look at these articles that prove some of my points above:

Using Distance Learning to Provide Medical Education to Non-traditional Students

ACADEMIC MEDICINE - Abstract: Volume 82(12) December 2007 p 1158-1162 Strategies for Increasing the Physician Workforce: The Oregon Model for Expansion.

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Well, what do ya know, apparently there is a US med school that offers an Independent Study i.e. online program in MD:

Ohio State University College of Medicine

However, they appear to have addressed the anatomy part of the distance education basic sciences program by requiring the students to come on-campus for 14 weeks. IUHS requires 4 weeks and OUM requires 8 weeks on campus but I have no idea if it is to do anatomy labs or just for introductory classes to basic or clinical medicine. OUM requires students to attend at the start and IUHS at the end i.e. last block.

IUHS and OUM need to do what OSUCM did if they want to be taken seriously by medical boards. Any school with a PBL system that addresses this issue will be the king of foreign med schools that offer such a basic sciences program.

Well, at least now the people talking outa jealousy, anger, etc on this website will know that there will be at least 1 state in the US that will license IUHS/OUM graduates and that is Ohio. There are other states also for those who care to find out.

PS: I'm not a med student. I am exploring all med schools including IUHS, OUM and others in the Carib. Anyone who wants to go to Carib or a foreign school should do their own hard research before simply believing whatever people post here and this includes my own posts here.

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To those Eagerly to Judge, Someone.

I received my Bachelors in Neuroscience and my Doctor in Dental Surgery from New York University College of Dentistry, My PhD in Clinical Psychology from University of Miami and a Masters in Neuroscience and Education from Columbia University, Teachers' College and a Masters in Psychoanalysis from Columbia University, along with two years in Child Psychiatry from the Medical School. So, as you can see, my degrees are not bogus and are from well known universities. This is the answer for all of those judging me of trying to purchase a degree or saying that I graduated from bogus university. I do not wish to purchase an MD, but would like some credit for my previous studies.
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Do some research before you post dude. .........Many western countries like Australia, European nations, New Zealand, UK accept online basic science curriculum of OUM and IUHS. As long as the grads pass the local licensing exams and get trained in a residency, they will be allowed to practice in those countries...............
Currently an IUHS graduate who did the entirety of their basic sciences online is most unlikely to gain registration in the U.K. if they fully disclose this to the GMC - see Section 2 on this page:
GMC | Acceptable primary medical qualification
It was possible, but following various local changes of attitude and the St. Christopher's affair it is not.
Have you found some other European countries which will accept the online course?
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To whom it may concern;

I am in a similar position, but do want to get licensed. No reputable school will accept any transfer credits unless they were done as an enrolled medical student. There is a 'dodge' if you will. If you enroll in an Oral and Maxillo facial surgery residency in the US they will give you a medical degree in as little as 17 months!! I know this will shock some on this web site, but they can check it out themselves. I believe the UHMS (sp?) in Antigua has been written about a number of times on this site, so you can look it up yourself.
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... I went to apply for a teaching position at a Medical School Department of Pediatrics. I lost out, because the other candidate had a Medical degree(MD). Eventhough, I had 100x more experience and knowledge.
It's impossible for any of us to judge fairly whether or not you've been hard done by in this instance: we know so little detail of the circumstances.
Of course our profession and academe often behave in self-serving and protectionist ways (like any professional group or trade union for that matter). Custom and practice and simple academic inertia can sometimes disadvantage the perfect candidate. So if the only reason you lost out was the lack of a diploma and not the specific detailed clinical knowledge, experience and legal/ethical rights and responsibilities that go with it - then I'm sure most here would deplore that.
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I went to apply to Medical School within Continental United States. The Tuition was ridiculous and they would not recognize non of my other Doctoral classes which I obtained in US schools (Like if I were a Freshman again). I am looking for a University which could provide me my MD degree, taking into consideration all of my present degrees and past experience. I do not seek Licensure with my Medical Degree, just by having an MD helps me in career advancement.
Personally, like some previous posters, I'm not in favour of simply giving people a bye because some course done in the past appears to be the same or similar to part of an MD course. There is usually quite a lot of additional material And, as AUCMD2006 said earlier it also "dilutes the value" and trust in the MD degree.
I can see one way round the problem for those, like yourself, who feel aggrieved by what may seem over-scrupulous regulations. You could be allowed to accelerate your MD courses not by exemptions, but by taking the exams in those subjects at an early stage without following the whole course. Unfortunately I haven't, so far, heard of anyone offering to do this: people seem to be demanding exemption as of right.
By the way, unlike some on VMD who display a compulsively antediluvian attitude, I have no problem with the principle of distance learning: I would like to see well-run, accredited and quality assured courses with up to 90% of the basic sciences following this method.
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....I went to London and received a Doctor of Science in Medicine (D.Sc. Med), which is not accepted in the US.....
Which chartered U.K. university awarded your D.Sc.?
It was this bit of your post which took me aback (and others no doubt). It did rather sound as if you had gone on a shopping trip, little further than Heathrow Airport, to one of our all-too-common and thriving diploma mills. In which case surely you can't have been surprised that it was "not accepted". If I've misunderstood that, and it was a legitimate university you must still have known (or could easily have found out) that it was not going to be an acceptable alternative to an MD.
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It is not the school , but the student which makes a good Physician.
I am amazed at how often this mantra is repeated on ValueMD - usually by those a lot less experienced, qualified and senior than yourself. If people seriously believe that the school has no value in the educational process that "makes a good physician" (which is what the statement implies), then I am deeply saddened that so many appear not to have had any previous encounters with inspiring teachers. No, a good teacher cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear: but she can do all sorts of wonderful things, like bring out potential that would otherwise have lain dormant, improve the average student, and render the good student outstanding to suggest but a few.
However, I know that in truth most people say this kind of thing here more out of forlorn hope and self-justification than any real expectation.
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Do some research before you post dude. There are licensed IUHS grads who are practicing in states like GA, IL, WA, AZ, MD, etc If you do some good research, you will be able to find them.
Don't be so pedantic, you know exactly what I mean - degrees from institutions such as IUHS are not worth the paper they are written on.
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The thing I have an issue with DL basic sciences is anatomy, not the same, you don't get that 3-d perspective of the human body.
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Don't be so pedantic, you know exactly what I mean - degrees from institutions such as IUHS are not worth the paper they are written on.
Well, that depends chemist, of course your opinion is just that, your opinion because for the folks who completed the program and are licensed in a few states it has a great value since they proved to be able to compete and debunk some myths hence proving some people wrong.
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Indeed it is my opinion, an opinion I will stick with. I won't argue the toss over why I think schools such as IUHS should no longer be in existance, as we have all heard those arguments ten times over. I do believe that there is a wealth of information about this school (and schools alike) in circulation which will allow individuals to make their own informed descisions.
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