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Old 05-20-2008, 08:03 PM
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Tuition at IUHS?

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G-max is rite. States like CA, NV, IN and TN do clearly say that they will "not accept internet-based" education. However, states like NV will also say, if you press on further with the issue, that they will require the full board to decide on grant of license for IUHS or OUM graduates i.e. will decide on case by case basis.

I agree with the MB that this route is NOT for everyone. First off, you gotta have the maturity and have the self-directed learning skill and committment. You should also enter at your own risk. If you enter this route, my suggestion is to stick with IUHS rather than OUM purely because of financial reasons. Although OUM appears to be doing everything rite and IUHS had a difficult past, grads from both will ultimately face the same kind of licensing boards.

IUHS is quite affordable compared to OUM. So in case, for whatever reason, your license is denied by all 50 states, which is highly unlikely, you can atleast utilize your MD in other ways. Remember that an MD, regardless of where or how you achieved it, is worth a lot if you complete a US residency, because you do not have only the clinical practice option alone anymore. There are many well-paid and "better" lifestyle jobs for MDs outside a clinical setting. Just do some research and you will find them and a majority of them do not require a license or any clinical experience either!

Like MB said, no one should blindly believe anything people write in these forums. These forums exist so that people from different Carib schools and their staff can fight it out and try to attract students to their own schools.
Zarkosy,

Do you know what the tuition is at IUHS? I don't believe they post it on their website. Thanks!
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:15 PM
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I think it is available

If nothing else it is on the main page of valuemd.

The cost for the entire program is 68K.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:23 PM
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Don't count on that...

My experience with medical boards hearings I have learned the following:

"full board to decide on grant of license for IUHS or OUM graduates i.e. will decide on case by case basis." = "we gave you a hearing, due process and are denying you a license"

NEVER please, NEVER count on that as your bet on getting licensed, it is going to cost you a small fortune in legal fees (an average of $250 per hour for the lawyer) and most likely the results will be detrimental. I have seen it happen so many times I feel sorry.

Of course it is your choice and I wish you good luck.









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G-max is rite. States like CA, NV, IN and TN do clearly say that they will "not accept internet-based" education. However, states like NV will also say, if you press on further with the issue, that they will require the full board to decide on grant of license for IUHS or OUM graduates i.e. will decide on case by case basis.

I agree with the MB that this route is NOT for everyone. First off, you gotta have the maturity and have the self-directed learning skill and committment. You should also enter at your own risk. If you enter this route, my suggestion is to stick with IUHS rather than OUM purely because of financial reasons. Although OUM appears to be doing everything rite and IUHS had a difficult past, grads from both will ultimately face the same kind of licensing boards.

IUHS is quite affordable compared to OUM. So in case, for whatever reason, your license is denied by all 50 states, which is highly unlikely, you can atleast utilize your MD in other ways. Remember that an MD, regardless of where or how you achieved it, is worth a lot if you complete a US residency, because you do not have only the clinical practice option alone anymore. There are many well-paid and "better" lifestyle jobs for MDs outside a clinical setting. Just do some research and you will find them and a majority of them do not require a license or any clinical experience either!

Like MB said, no one should blindly believe anything people write in these forums. These forums exist so that people from different Carib schools and their staff can fight it out and try to attract students to their own schools.
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Don't count on that...
My experience with medical boards hearings I have learned the following:

"full board to decide on grant of license for IUHS or OUM graduates i.e. will decide on case by case basis." = "we gave you a hearing, due process and are denying you a license"

NEVER please, NEVER count on that as your bet on getting licensed, it is going to cost you a small fortune in legal fees (an average of $250 per hour for the lawyer) and most likely the results will be detrimental. I have seen it happen so many times I feel sorry.

Of course it is your choice and I wish you good luck.


Of course I am absolutely sure that you know exactly what you are talking about, but are they cases that you can cite (if this is ethical in your profession) that can prove to prospective students that it might not be worth it doing the online IUHS deal according to thie issues you have raised above?

I know that Little Miss Muffett & Georgie Porgie wrote every state in 2002, and posted the responses therefrom, and that they were not so happy about IUHS. We did a similar thing for UHSA in 2003 with a similar result.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:27 PM
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My advice, do the B.S courses on the island, then the final 2 years, at ACGME hospitals.
Forget the whole online B.S, (B.S) !
NOT accepted in many states............

Also, better to know all the B.S "really B.S" for step 1 B.S if you want to pass it, better do the traditional route.

UHSA had a similar program, but switched back to the traditional route, due to licensure issues........also According to ECFMG no longer transfer credits or advance standing !!

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My advice, do the B.S courses on the island, then the final 2 years, at ACGME hospitals.
Forget the whole online B.S, (B.S) !
NOT accepted in many states............

Also, better to know all the B.S "really B.S" for step 1 B.S if you want to pass it, better do the traditional route.

UHSA had a similar program, but switched back to the traditional route, due to licensure issues........also According to ECFMG no longer transfer credits or advance standing !!

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If you dont know the facts, please DONT post here to mislead people. Everyone knows that this forum is full of staff from all the Carib schools trying to get their own marketshare of the MD education business.

IUHS does NOT give transfer credits or advanced standing. They have a PBL system which makes it impossible to give you advance standing anyway.

There are more than 35 states that will license IUHS students who complete their MD via the independent pathway program. There are only VERY few people doing their MD this way and those very few are mature students who are either PAs, RNs, etc with health industry experience.

UHSA is on CA disapproved list while IUHS is not on that list. UHSADOC please DONT post garbage here to mislead people. If you check properly you will find that more than 35 states will license IUHS graduates. If you do their on-campus program that number goes up above 40 states.

DONT post garbage to mislead people. UHSA has its own enormous problems so you better deal with them before you venture out to trash other schools. You have been in business for 25+ years but are still considered as the most crappy school while the rest like Ross and SGU are at the top in the Carib.
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Old 05-25-2008, 04:27 PM
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What are you talking about? The fact that IUHS is not in the CA dissaproved list doesn't mean it's grads are elegible for licensure, they WILL BE DENIED regardless. Have you checked the whole rules of CA? Not being in the list of approved schools is essentially almost the same as being in the dissaproved list, read it carefully.

Besides, you fail to mention, and now that you insist in naming dissaproved lists, that IUHS is CATEGORICALLY AND EMPHATICALLY dissaproved in INDIANA. Play a fair game Zark. You can't criticize UHSADOC that much because IUHS is essentially not as good or on the same category of UHSA, don't fool yourself, pardon my bluntness. There is someone in this forum that worked at both schools, as faculty, and I trust his testimony about both schools, as much as I clash heads with him due to philosophical differences, and what he reports from both places is less than desirable, he is a local and knows better when it comes to tell epople in these forums if any of these 2 "schools" are any better than each other or the rest. In my hometown we call what you just did...un muerto hablando mal de un ahorcado...a deadman talking bad about a hangedman.

No offense intended, just trying to make it a fair game.

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If you dont know the facts, please DONT post here to mislead people. Everyone knows that this forum is full of staff from all the Carib schools trying to get their own marketshare of the MD education business.

IUHS does NOT give transfer credits or advanced standing. They have a PBL system which makes it impossible to give you advance standing anyway.

There are more than 35 states that will license IUHS students who complete their MD via the independent pathway program. There are only VERY few people doing their MD this way and those very few are mature students who are either PAs, RNs, etc with health industry experience.

UHSA is on CA disapproved list while IUHS is not on that list. UHSADOC please DONT post garbage here to mislead people. If you check properly you will find that more than 35 states will license IUHS graduates. If you do their on-campus program that number goes up above 40 states.

DONT post garbage to mislead people. UHSA has its own enormous problems so you better deal with them before you venture out to trash other schools. You have been in business for 25+ years but are still considered as the most crappy school while the rest like Ross and SGU are at the top in the Carib.
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Gmax, yes i know all about the CA approved and disapproved list. I was trying to tell UHSADOC to look at their own school before trashing others in the same boat. I am fully aware of the reputations of IUHS, OUM and UHSA.

The fact is that if at the end of the day you complete all USMLE exams, residency and board exams, there will be some states that will license you even if you do your basic science component via distance.

People like UHSADOC are simply posting without actually knowing the facts. Most of the Carib schools except perhaps the top 3 (SGU, Ross, AUC) or 4 if you include SABA are in the same boat. You enter at your own risk and that risk is perhaps higher at UHSA, IUHS, OUM.
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There will be states that will license you, no doubt about that. Now that you mention that, I got news of an acquaintance, look at this, he attended 2 different medical schools, one in Mexico, one in the Caribbean, failed USMLE 1 several times, failed USMLE 2 several times too, managed to get into a residency program not via the match IM, and got licensed in Wisconsin, and what surprised him was that his license took a couple of weeks literally speaking to arrive in the mail. No digging into anything about his record or nothing, almost a no questions asked kind of thing. Everything is possible.


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Gmax, yes i know all about the CA approved and disapproved list. I was trying to tell UHSADOC to look at their own school before trashing others in the same boat. I am fully aware of the reputations of IUHS, OUM and UHSA.

The fact is that if at the end of the day you complete all USMLE exams, residency and board exams, there will be some states that will license you even if you do your basic science component via distance.

People like UHSADOC are simply posting without actually knowing the facts. Most of the Carib schools except perhaps the top 3 (SGU, Ross, AUC) or 4 if you include SABA are in the same boat. You enter at your own risk and that risk is perhaps higher at UHSA, IUHS, OUM.
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