Wow, I was looking forward to your response there, A_G. Anyway, I have been reading this thread and I would like to know if you are serious about your points that seem to equate teaching quality with the ability to pick out typos and errors. I mean, wow...I attended a large research university for my undergraduate education, and particularly in my science courses, I recall numerous incidents of typos and errors in our texts, some pointed out by us students even. There would be errors in the professor's lecture notes, errors on our exams. This continued on into med school as well (same university). Until reading your post, I have always felt that the education I have received was top-notch. Damn. Thanks for the reality check!

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Actually, there are two types of errors. The first is usually grammatical or improper spelling. The second is usually technical, i.e. someone writing inferior rectus m when the correct muscle is the inferior oblique for a blowout eye injury that occurs in boxing or when the head hits the steering wheel and the floor of the orbit where the inferior oblique m is attached is fractured and becomes loose. The resultant effect is diplopia or double vision. Hopefully, professors would point out the errors and make the correction. I don't necessarily equate good teaching with being able to point out errors in texts or other materials but I do equate good teaching with the ability of the instructor to get the student to learn. For this to occur, it is not necessary to always have lectures or the "sage on the stage" presence but it does help to be very cognizant of the subject area as well as knowledgeable about teaching methods and what it takes to get students to LEARN! Also, it is some would say helpful bit I say necessary for the instructor to know the clinical relevance of the material and how it builds. This is a skill that takes experience to develop.
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Thanks for the response, Anatomy Guy. I agree with you about professors and getting the students to learn. But I'll tell you, much of my academic experience has been punctauted with professors that made it very clear that they'd rather be in the research lab than the lecture halls. I think that solid learning is a mix of good professors, motivated students, and access to both the standard instructional materials (textbooks) plus inclusion of current research data. Good professors typically include references to the latter in their lectures and notes. Now, can you honestly say that this is not being done at IUHS? I know for a fact that it is

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I am not another school and I can say at the end of the day, I do rotations with people from other schools including IUHS. People who choose to attend this school know the risk involved and if they are willing to take it that is their decision. I have notice in medicine a lot of the criticism comes from people thing some people have it easier than them. At the end of the day we are all offshore students so the administration of the various US hospitals don't see a difference, only the students and the professors.

I feel that everyone has a right to an education - whether it's a full-time working parent in their middle age, or whether its a person missing both their legs attending IUHS online. I guess it's up to the student to decide what program is good for them.

In the end all that matters is how many lives you've saved....not what medical school you attended.

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Everyone does have a right to an education. But the sentiment of this and other threads is that everyone doesn't have the right to be licensed. Many personalities on this forum are passionately devoted to portraying themselves as experts about certain aspects of training and practice--from med schools to the licensing process. Doesn't bother me none, everyone has the right to a hobby

A person's education, if solid, will stand on its own. Until we have actual PDs, attendings, PIs and others responsible for evaluation of students/residents come forth with firsthand accounts of the poor quality of such 'n such of so and so's school, it is all speculation and personal opinion. Disgruntled students and former/current school employees, in my opinion, make the worst sources of objectivity. I have read many different schools' threads, and this sort of thing is rampant on this site. It really is...weird, that total strangers care as much as they do about other total strangers' choices. Seem to be a lot of insecurity around here

As far as the central argument is concerned, which is the licensing issue, I applaud those that took the time and made the effort to 'research' state medical boards on everyone's behalf, no matter how truncated the list. However, it would be foolish for anyone to make their final decisions without getting the information they need directly from the licensing boards themselves. Concerning proof of licensed practicing physicians, I find it really really strange that some posters state that 'there are no licensed grads from this school' with such conviction. Just like in the older posts, the same sentiment was found in the statements that 'no students from this school can pass boards', then later, 'no students can get residency'...and here were are today, 'no grads can get licensed'. I see a pattern here, don't you? LOL

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I used to pray and pray for a bike and never got one. Later I learned that God doesn't work that way... so I went out and stole a bike and asked God for forgiveness.

you see this because currently you cannot be licensed if any of your classes in basic sciences were taken through distant learning. do i know personally if there are any practicing grads? - i have no idea so i wouldn't go as far as saying that there are none. what i do say, as i repeat from above, is that i don't believe grads will be able to be licensed at this time.

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Thanks, DocP, for your response. But you are incorrect. There are states that will license with the distant learning. Re-read the listing in the licensing thread about online sciences, I think a few are listed there, but not all. Also, look at the previous posts in this thread, there is mention of licensed grads, albeit the numbers were not that impressive. But even 'one' cancels out the 'none'.

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this is what i've been told from other users who have contacted licensing boards as well as a few other physicians. if you say that there are states as well as licensed grads, then i won't argue with you

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Don't just take people's words for anything, including mine. Contact the state med boards yourselves and get the answers you seek. If your desired state(s) tells you no, so be it, move on. Choose the schools that the med boards will say yes to and go forward. On the other hand, if you choose this route for your education and your desired board will in fact license you, you probably need to think long and hard. Just because you can do something, does it mean you should?

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