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Old 03-25-2007, 12:33 PM
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The education is sound! The instructors care about the students and work hard to meet the students needs! The instructors are very responsive to questions and continually update the tools they use for teaching to ensure the information is up to date and accurate! The education provided is very good but the students must take that information and learn it so they can do well!

How do you the education is sound? Are there any licensed physicians from IUHS's basic science online program? Do you have any evidence to show the success of the program other than anecdotal comments? Anecdotal comments are meaningless. Provide sound evidence! Also, how do you know the information is up to date and accurate? Just because a textbook comes out with a copyright date of 2007 doe NOT mean it is up to date. There are still errors in those textbooks. You need to look at the litereature as well. Also, I know some of the instructors and a good portion of them are NOT even qualified to teach in a medical school and don't even have jobs teaching in a medical school. I know a couple of the online teachers from Michigan are NOT faculty at the University of Michigan or Wayne State University or Michigan State University, the higher education institutions in the state of Michigan that have medical schools. There is more to being an instructor than knowing the book. It is important to facilitate discussion and keep abreast of the subject matter as there are updates and changes going on all the time!
Really, please avoid making general statements and think before posting. It would make better sense to be specific about the things you do know.
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How do you the education is sound? Are there any licensed physicians from IUHS's basic science online program? Do you have any evidence to show the success of the program other than anecdotal comments? Anecdotal comments are meaningless. Provide sound evidence! Also, how do you know the information is up to date and accurate? Just because a textbook comes out with a copyright date of 2007 doe NOT mean it is up to date. There are still errors in those textbooks. You need to look at the litereature as well. Also, I know some of the instructors and a good portion of them are NOT even qualified to teach in a medical school and don't even have jobs teaching in a medical school. I know a couple of the online teachers from Michigan are NOT faculty at the University of Michigan or Wayne State University or Michigan State University, the higher education institutions in the state of Michigan that have medical schools. There is more to being an instructor than knowing the book. It is important to facilitate discussion and keep abreast of the subject matter as there are updates and changes going on all the time!
Really, please avoid making general statements and think before posting. It would make better sense to be specific about the things you do know.
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So you are saying that The textbooks used by the medical schools in the US are not good enough to teach from? This means that every student in the US is not getting a sound education due to mistakes in the textbooks they use? How do you know whether our instructors are using the lastest literature for their lectures or not? You do not as you do not attend their lectures! I can tell you they do use recent literature for their lectures as they refer us to this same literature for additional reading! I know the difference between a bad education and a good one as I have an extensive education prior to attending this school and have seen bad and good educational settings. I have good friends who are currently teaching at US medical schools who have sat in on lectures from the school to help me evaluate the courses and decide if it was going to be a good education. They all felt that the lectures were good and that they presented the information in a comparable level of quality to what they themselves would present. So do not tell me you are any more qualified than they are to assess the classes. Do the math, the school has been here for seven actual years and has students in their Residencies finishing this year or starting fellowships. We have a class graduating this year that just went through the match and did well getting their top choices. I can not speak for those who may have been here before I started but All of the instructors currently with the school are very well qualified for the positions they hold. You seem to be working from out of date information at this time and should be working with current information instead.
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Old 03-25-2007, 03:04 PM
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they make you pay 20k up front
That will be UHSA, Antigua, They ask for 20k in advance, or used to.
Similar names, different location, basic sciences online stuff.
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They do have residents that completed they basic sciences online, that I have confirmed by outside parties. Obviously the method worked for those fellows, who are you or me to impose our criteria on them? It's their choice, it is a matter of perception and how it works. Obviously it worked for these folks. If they would have had problems, they would have been kicked out of their residencies. Or it could be one of those residency programs that wnat to keep a warm body on duty, we don't know that.

The success of the program can be determined once they start producing licensed physicians. As of now, I personally know of 2, yes 2. There might be more, who knows, it is one of those world secrets like Israel's nulcear bombs, we know they exist but don't know where.

That said, there need to be more licensed physicians in order to judge. I don't think it works for everyone, and that is the feeling I get from these forums, that some of us pretend to establish the premise that this is for everyone, no, WRONG again.

As I said before, it is a matter of choice, their money their time, their talent. We didn't do it, fine, they did it, their problem, not ours. They may or may not face difficulty at time of licensure, their problem also, not ours. We can barely live our own lives and pretend to live and dictate how other should live theirs?

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How do you the education is sound? Are there any licensed physicians from IUHS's basic science online program? Do you have any evidence to show the success of the program other than anecdotal comments? Anecdotal comments are meaningless. Provide sound evidence! Also, how do you know the information is up to date and accurate? Just because a textbook comes out with a copyright date of 2007 doe NOT mean it is up to date. There are still errors in those textbooks. You need to look at the litereature as well. Also, I know some of the instructors and a good portion of them are NOT even qualified to teach in a medical school and don't even have jobs teaching in a medical school. I know a couple of the online teachers from Michigan are NOT faculty at the University of Michigan or Wayne State University or Michigan State University, the higher education institutions in the state of Michigan that have medical schools. There is more to being an instructor than knowing the book. It is important to facilitate discussion and keep abreast of the subject matter as there are updates and changes going on all the time!
Really, please avoid making general statements and think before posting. It would make better sense to be specific about the things you do know.
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They do have residents that completed they basic sciences online, that I have confirmed by outside parties. Obviously the method worked for those fellows, who are you or me to impose our criteria on them? It's their choice, it is a matter of perception and how it works. Obviously it worked for these folks. If they would have had problems, they would have been kicked out of their residencies. Or it could be one of those residency programs that wnat to keep a warm body on duty, we don't know that.

The success of the program can be determined once they start producing licensed physicians. As of now, I personally know of 2, yes 2. There might be more, who knows, it is one of those world secrets like Israel's nulcear bombs, we know they exist but don't know where.

That said, there need to be more licensed physicians in order to judge. I don't think it works for everyone, and that is the feeling I get from these forums, that some of us pretend to establish the premise that this is for everyone, no, WRONG again.

As I said before, it is a matter of choice, their money their time, their talent. We didn't do it, fine, they did it, their problem, not ours. They may or may not face difficulty at time of licensure, their problem also, not ours. We can barely live our own lives and pretend to live and dictate how other should live theirs?

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The question I had was with the statement that "The education is sound". I personally know a couple of the IUHS instructors and know their qualifications. I also know that there are also some going through the MD program, too, hoping to become qualified to practice. Like I have said before I like the idea of online education but it is not for everyone. I also know that licensing is the biggest issue and that getting into residency is NOT a problem and getting an educational license is also NOT a problem. However, getting a permanent or independent license is a different issue. Lets see what happens on that score. As to the quality of the textbooks, most are good however there are always errors in a textbook and it takes an experienced instructor to know the difference and give the proper corrections. So take the quality of instruction from IUHS with a grain of salt and ensure you are getting the proper information, after all that is your responsibility.
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The question I had was with the statement that "The education is sound". I personally know a couple of the IUHS instructors and know their qualifications. I also know that there are also some going through the MD program, too, hoping to become qualified to practice. Like I have said before I like the idea of online education but it is not for everyone. I also know that licensing is the biggest issue and that getting into residency is NOT a problem and getting an educational license is also NOT a problem. However, getting a permanent or independent license is a different issue. Lets see what happens on that score. As to the quality of the textbooks, most are good however there are always errors in a textbook and it takes an experienced instructor to know the difference and give the proper corrections. So take the quality of instruction from IUHS with a grain of salt and ensure you are getting the proper information, after all that is your responsibility.
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When did a PhD in a subject with a teaching certificate not qualify them for teaching in that area? That would mean many US medical schools would have non qualified instructors teaching for them! Your an anatomy professor are you a PhD or MD or? What qualifies you to teach anatomy? How can it be OK for US medical schools but not IUHS to use a PhD for instructing! Instructors here are PhD's or MD's Some currently doing research in their area of specialty. Why the double standard on who is qualified to teach! Also How did you get your experience teaching if it was not by teaching? Should teachers be required to, what, teach each other for ten years before they are qualified to teach real students maybe it should be twenty years so they can be nearly dead before they are allowed to teach their area of specialty!!! If it is the students responsibility to ensure the information is correct then why bother with schools at all just let everyone to study on their own and then take standardized tests for a license!! That would save us all lots of money and get rid of the schools all together! But then we would not have jobs for teachers or administrators they would all be out of jobs! No! lets just let the schools alone so they can do their job and let the state boards do their job when its time and determine if a graduate is qualified for a license or not!
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They do have residents that completed they basic sciences online, that I have confirmed by outside parties. Obviously the method worked for those fellows, who are you or me to impose our criteria on them? It's their choice, it is a matter of perception and how it works. Obviously it worked for these folks. If they would have had problems, they would have been kicked out of their residencies. Or it could be one of those residency programs that wnat to keep a warm body on duty, we don't know that.

The success of the program can be determined once they start producing licensed physicians. As of now, I personally know of 2, yes 2. There might be more, who knows, it is one of those world secrets like Israel's nulcear bombs, we know they exist but don't know where.

That said, there need to be more licensed physicians in order to judge. I don't think it works for everyone, and that is the feeling I get from these forums, that some of us pretend to establish the premise that this is for everyone, no, WRONG again.

As I said before, it is a matter of choice, their money their time, their talent. We didn't do it, fine, they did it, their problem, not ours. They may or may not face difficulty at time of licensure, their problem also, not ours. We can barely live our own lives and pretend to live and dictate how other should live theirs?

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I KNOW 1 RIGHT NOW DOING 1ST YR RESID BUT THIS PERSON IS A MOTIVATED INDIVIDUAL AND EXPERIENCED HEALTHCARE PROVIDER WHO IS FITITNG INTO THE SYSTEM NICELY WHO ALSO PASSED STEP 1 2 AND CURRENTLY GOING TO GO FOR STEP 3 SOON AND GET A TEMP LICENSED AS WELL,,,WE WILL SOON FIND OUT IF THEY MAKE IT THRU FOR THE ACTUAL LICENSE I PREFER TO KEEP THIS LOW KEY TOO,,,BUT THE RISK IS WAY TOOO HIGH SO I DECIDED AGAINST THIS SO CALLED EASY WAY AND GO ON CAMPUS,,,IM NOT IN THE RISK TAKING MOOD AT MY AGE NOW AT 20K A YR ON YOUR OWN TOO PRE PAID,,,GOOD LUCK IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE YOU LL NEED IT AND PLEASE DO TELL YOUR SPOUSE AND OR PARENTS THE FULL SCOOP BEFORE STARTING THIS PROGRAM AND SEE WHAT THEY TELL YOU IM SURE IT WON T BE SWEET AND NICE LIKE CANDY WEAR YA EARPLUGS TOO BYE
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There are more than one doing residency, I am sure a couple i their 3rd year of residency. And to clarify, the school that asks for the 20k in advance is in Antigua, UHSA, nit this one. Double check that one. And I dont need to take that route. Don't need it anymore.

It is a gamble, as I said before, their money,their time, their risk...their business.

And stop yelling at me, (caps) it reflect poorly on your character. You don't need to yell to express your opinions. I have not disrespected you, I expect you to do the same. Thanks.




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I KNOW 1 RIGHT NOW DOING 1ST YR RESID BUT THIS PERSON IS A MOTIVATED INDIVIDUAL AND EXPERIENCED HEALTHCARE PROVIDER WHO IS FITITNG INTO THE SYSTEM NICELY WHO ALSO PASSED STEP 1 2 AND CURRENTLY GOING TO GO FOR STEP 3 SOON AND GET A TEMP LICENSED AS WELL,,,WE WILL SOON FIND OUT IF THEY MAKE IT THRU FOR THE ACTUAL LICENSE I PREFER TO KEEP THIS LOW KEY TOO,,,BUT THE RISK IS WAY TOOO HIGH SO I DECIDED AGAINST THIS SO CALLED EASY WAY AND GO ON CAMPUS,,,IM NOT IN THE RISK TAKING MOOD AT MY AGE NOW AT 20K A YR ON YOUR OWN TOO PRE PAID,,,GOOD LUCK IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE YOU LL NEED IT AND PLEASE DO TELL YOUR SPOUSE AND OR PARENTS THE FULL SCOOP BEFORE STARTING THIS PROGRAM AND SEE WHAT THEY TELL YOU IM SURE IT WON T BE SWEET AND NICE LIKE CANDY WEAR YA EARPLUGS TOO BYE
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When did a PhD in a subject with a teaching certificate not qualify them for teaching in that area? That would mean many US medical schools would have non qualified instructors teaching for them! Your an anatomy professor are you a PhD or MD or? What qualifies you to teach anatomy? How can it be OK for US medical schools but not IUHS to use a PhD for instructing! Instructors here are PhD's or MD's Some currently doing research in their area of specialty. Why the double standard on who is qualified to teach! Also How did you get your experience teaching if it was not by teaching? Should teachers be required to, what, teach each other for ten years before they are qualified to teach real students maybe it should be twenty years so they can be nearly dead before they are allowed to teach their area of specialty!!! If it is the students responsibility to ensure the information is correct then why bother with schools at all just let everyone to study on their own and then take standardized tests for a license!! That would save us all lots of money and get rid of the schools all together! But then we would not have jobs for teachers or administrators they would all be out of jobs! No! lets just let the schools alone so they can do their job and let the state boards do their job when its time and determine if a graduate is qualified for a license or not!
I won't dignify the above with anything more than GIGO!
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OKO OK lol not yelling typing in dark and too lazy to hit off caps,,and it is uhsa,,yep that one you mentioned,,,
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