Why all the hate for IUHS? - Page 3

anatomy_guy · #21 (**permalink**) 03-22-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyBlank

One thing bothers me about many of the replies in this thread.

If you truly are a student at another school, why would you care what the discussion is on a thread in the IUHS forum. It is suspicious at best.

Forget the "whys", how about the "hows'? How would a student at AUC find the time to post about IUHS?

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The only one I tend to think is objective is Maximllian. His response seems to be pretty easy to understand.."IUHS is not for everyone, and if you decide to attend there, you have no one to blame but yourself...and further....there are other less risky choices available".
I paraphrased there, but I believe that to be the general theme to his posts.

I agree with all of it. I agree that SGU, Saba, and Ross clearly offer me less risky paths to becoming a physician. The only thing that atrracts me to IUHS is the electronic component to the basic sciences. I am a self-learner, and I don't think I lose anything by completing Biochem/Embryo/Physio/Path online.

Which leads me to the place where I am at. I will apply to IUHS, I will fly down to the island. I will thorougly investigage the licensing issues in my home state. If I am dumb enough to throw away 20K without fully investigating the risks associated with IUHS, who is to blame? Obviously myself.

I can live with that.

And just to better understand the posters here. Can someone help me understand how or why a full-time medical student would give a single thought to the prospective medical school choice of a complete stranger?

The cynic in me believes that there is nothing altruistic in this, but rather a monetary influence at stake. It also makes me believe other programs and schools want the entire sandbox for themselves.

Some of us have seen what IUHS is about and some of us investigated IUHS for the same reasons you stated and then decided it against because of licensing issues. I agree that online basic science medical education is an exciting prospect and may occur in the future but you need to be aware of a number of issues. First, Ohio State University, LECOM, and some of the other schools with Independent Study tracks do require attendance at some classes or courses. LECOM for instance requires attendance at the Osteopathic Manipulation and Medical interviewing course. There is also a certain amount of attendance required for Gross Anatomy. Also Ohio State University requires attendance for some of the courses, especially those related to Gross Anatomy and Medical Communications. Second, a certain amount of online coursework is considered acceptable as long as it is considered to be computer-assisted learning and properly supervised, as per the LCME. Third, a number of highly regarded medical schools use online learning but it is in certain areas that lend itself to online learning. Thus these medical schools regulate what is acceptable and what is not. Personally, I like online learning because I can do it on my time and I love the discussions because you see so many different viewpoints and approaches to the material at hand. If you are not worried about licensure, hey, spend the money and go for it. If you are wanting to be licensed, don't do IUHS. As of this date there is no one licensed who did their program online. You can do residencies having completed an online program because residencies are educational or training programs and many states will give the resident an educational or training license, because they are supervised by a fully licensed independent physician. Getting the full licensure to practice independently will be the problem.

Good luck with your decision. Caveat emptor!
A_G

AUCMD2006 · #22 (**permalink**) 03-22-2007, 11:16 PM

"Forget the "whys", how about the "hows'? How would a student at AUC find the time to post about IUHS?"

not a student..read the tag line. graduated with my MD last november just matched last week so i have nothing but time until june 23rd

"I have stated clearly in my two posts that I have no idea whether or not IUHS is an absolute failure."

as a business they are not a failure they still get the money..as a school however that has been around since 1998 that is debatable

"I do know they have managed to stay in business for nearly 7 years now. In fact, many of the replies in this forum are to posts made 2 and 3 years ago that predicted IUHS' demise. Yet. They still remain standing."

cheap to run a few servers and minimal facilities there are always people willing to put money down on this. many, many, many chiros,nutrritionists, dentists, podiatrists, naturapaths don't really need to get licensed and just want the title 'MD' for marketing that is how these places stay in business. similar thing happened with bogus russian med schools in the late 80's and in the 90's they were still fisning chiros and podiatrists using the titles they bought. please for the love of God post when you get back

I am a self-learner, and I don't think I lose anything by completing Biochem/Embryo/Physio/Path online.

the licensing boards don't care about your learning style, youru favorite color or how you take your coffee...they are burocrats with narrow minds so while the online model is the future they don't care

"Which leads me to the place where I am at. I will apply to IUHS, I will fly down to the island. I will thorougly investigage the licensing issues in my home state."

yes do that. i remember posts by neilc who last year was in the position i am now(lots of time before residency) and a few people actually called almost every state and the concensus was that over 40 said no to licensing, a few had not taken it into consideration and the rest would review the application.

"And just to better understand the posters here. Can someone help me understand how or why a full-time medical student would give a single thought to the prospective medical school choice of a complete stranger?"

because 4 years ago we were in the same exact position thinking that a who and imed listing meant something and that as long as you were able to sit for the usmle all would be a ok. as for me i almost ended up at one of these places until i actually researched it and learned that the who and imed is nothing more than a phone book and the only thing needed to sit for the usmle is a listing in the 'phone book'..it is a huge joke to claim imed listing means anything.

all right enough altruism..back to halo

just for s and giggles, run a google search on residents from the schools you are interested in.then there are doctor finders for most states that allow you to search docs by many factors including schools..try that out for fun and see how many residents and or licensed docs iuhs has produced since its debut in 1998 and compare that to st mathew's which started around the same time.

DRJJ1 · #23 (**permalink**) 03-22-2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartyBlank

One thing bothers me about many of the replies in this thread.

If you truly are a student at another school, why would you care what the discussion is on a thread in the IUHS forum. It is suspicious at best.

Forget the "whys", how about the "hows'? How would a student at AUC find the time to post about IUHS?

I have stated clearly in my two posts that I have no idea whether or not IUHS is an absolute failure. I do know they have managed to stay in business for nearly 7 years now. In fact, many of the replies in this forum are to posts made 2 and 3 years ago that predicted IUHS' demise. Yet. They still remain standing.

The only one I tend to think is objective is Maximllian. His response seems to be pretty easy to understand.."IUHS is not for everyone, and if you decide to attend there, you have no one to blame but yourself...and further....there are other less risky choices available".

I paraphrased there, but I believe that to be the general theme to his posts.

I agree with all of it. I agree that SGU, Saba, and Ross clearly offer me less risky paths to becoming a physician. The only thing that atrracts me to IUHS is the electronic component to the basic sciences. I am a self-learner, and I don't think I lose anything by completing Biochem/Embryo/Physio/Path online.

Which leads me to the place where I am at. I will apply to IUHS, I will fly down to the island. I will thorougly investigage the licensing issues in my home state. If I am dumb enough to throw away 20K without fully investigating the risks associated with IUHS, who is to blame? Obviously myself.

I can live with that.

And just to better understand the posters here. Can someone help me understand how or why a full-time medical student would give a single thought to the prospective medical school choice of a complete stranger?

The cynic in me believes that there is nothing altruistic in this, but rather a monetary influence at stake. It also makes me believe other programs and schools want the entire sandbox for themselves.

St. George's/Ross/Saba have no reason whatsoever to fear any competition. They clearly are doing it right. However, some of the less desirable schools could do better with less competition. Food for thought anyway.

ROSS less risky? dude,,they have licensed drs out there,,,this school will face problems young kids do not need,,hey if you got money to burn and want to take a chance maybe even take the state bds on legally for years and super costly then go ahead,,,but when they check into your education and deny you a license don t cry cough up more money and sue them maybe spend another 100k legal fees,,,then let the state bd question why on your transcript dr does your courses say or not say if they were taken on campus or not,,,then you ll be shaking while you turn to your lawyer and he will say time for a break we need to meet outside then and only then break out your check book again cause this one will cost you and maybe for fraud when they cannot compare like education to other licensed drs in the state you should be well equipped to face the music then,,,you see,,,all the state bds will know this school and how they operate,,,I tried to call them email them over and over and got nothing ,,,yes a perspective student who they should have been wooing me i got no answers,,,do you want to set up your own non approved core rotations? pay mentors off to sign you off? beg the state bds to be licensed since you passed the steps? yes I do know of one person in resid and I am waiting for that person when license time arrives,,until that day I remain on guard,,,you think I wouldn t want to do it this way without selling my office and study home? it may work for other courses online but not for medicine ,,,remember nothing worth while in life is worth getting without hard work and sacrifice,,,the school is still open because of gulliable people who continue to hope,,like a stock down from 100 to 2 bux and people buying more hoping for a rebound,,,good luck and don t say we didn t warn you,,,again,,yes,,you can go the whole distance including doing resid and passing your boards and still not get licensed due to the education WAS NOT COMPARABLE TO OTHERS LICENSED IN THE STATE,,THE BDS WILL HAVE LOTS OF AMMO TO TAKE YOU DOWN,,,I DID MY RESEARCH IN THIS PATH SO I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS A BIGGG GAMBLE WITH ODDS AGAINST YOU,,,YOU MAY GET LICENSED MAYBE IN SOUTH DAKOTA WITH TOWNS OF 200 POP THOUGH play it smart, or get burnt

Genossa maximillian · #24 (**permalink**) 03-23-2007, 10:15 AM

...""IUHS is not for everyone, and if you decide to attend there, you have no one to blame but yourself...and further....there are other less risky choices available"."

That is exactly what I mean.

rosstartan · #25 (**permalink**) 03-23-2007, 06:07 PM

They don't need students on the campus to make money. What they have done is sold their on-line curriculum to several schools located in both India and China. They make their money that way.

Carmen · #26 (**permalink**) 03-25-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rosstartan

They don't need students on the campus to make money. What they have done is sold their on-line curriculum to several schools located in both India and China. They make their money that way.

I think before a student worries about being licensed, this student should consider if he or she is getting a proper medical education. Don't go there as an easy route, get an education to become a good doctor. Compare what IUHS is teaching with another medical school. Nobody can decide but the student. One word of advice, don't pay the tuition upfront - pay month by month. If you are unhappy, you can leave without spending all of your money.

IUHS makes money from their on-line students as well as the other campuses. The students from India and Dubai attend IUHS so that it will be easier to come to the U.S. My only hope is that the education is sound and I am doubtful of this from what I know. Since we may run into one of them in the ER one day and depend on them to save a life.

DRJJ1 · #27 (**permalink**) 03-25-2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmen

I think before a student worries about being licensed, this student should consider if he or she is getting a proper medical education. Don't go there as an easy route, get an education to become a good doctor. Compare what IUHS is teaching with another medical school. Nobody can decide but the student. One word of advice, don't pay the tuition upfront - pay month by month. If you are unhappy, you can leave without spending all of your money.

IUHS makes money from their on-line students as well as the other campuses. The students from India and Dubai attend IUHS so that it will be easier to come to the U.S. My only hope is that the education is sound and I am doubtful of this from what I know. Since we may run into one of them in the ER one day and depend on them to save a life.

they make you pay 20k up front

Doc2B2007 · #28 (**permalink**) 03-25-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DRJJ1

they make you pay 20k up front

False information again!!! The school does not require large up front fees!

Doc2B2007 · #29 (**permalink**) 03-25-2007, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmen

I think before a student worries about being licensed, this student should consider if he or she is getting a proper medical education. Don't go there as an easy route, get an education to become a good doctor. Compare what IUHS is teaching with another medical school. Nobody can decide but the student. One word of advice, don't pay the tuition upfront - pay month by month. If you are unhappy, you can leave without spending all of your money.

IUHS makes money from their on-line students as well as the other campuses. The students from India and Dubai attend IUHS so that it will be easier to come to the U.S. My only hope is that the education is sound and I am doubtful of this from what I know. Since we may run into one of them in the ER one day and depend on them to save a life.

The education is sound! The instructors care about the students and work hard to meet the students needs! The instructors are very responsive to questions and continually update the tools they use for teaching to ensure the information is up to date and accurate! The education provided is very good but the students must take that information and learn it so they can do well!

dt · #30 (**permalink**) 03-25-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc2B2007

The education is sound! The instructors care about the students and work hard to meet the students needs! The instructors are very responsive to questions and continually update the tools they use for teaching to ensure the information is up to date and accurate! The education provided is very good but the students must take that information and learn it so they can do well!

Any licensed IUHS physician in the US or Canada? If yes, where?

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