I Know For Fact,,,my Buddy Is In A Mid East Coast State Doing A Residency Passded Step 1 2 And Doing Greatt,,,a Former Chiropractor As Well,,

You are lying. IUHS does not have a former chiropractor who has reached that stage of medical education.

Nice try though!

He's right. I have seen a Iowa FP residency accept an IUHS grad who began residency in July 2006. I will not list his name on this forum though. Instead of calling someone a "liar" you should first listen to what they're saying. You'll be a good doctor only if you're a good listener.

Have a nice day.

ULTRON

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I don't think any reasonable person should dispute the ability of any IUHS student who have used the online portion for basic sciences to get into residency. What seems to be confused here, as well as in the St. Chris forum is a bigger issue, LICENSING.

I do know for a fact, as well as Carmen knows, that there is one student who has almost completed residency and the same state where she is doing residency WILL NOT allow her to get a license. The same thing, most probably will happen with many other medical boards. I am not saying this person won't get a license, but I can say that doing residency DOES NOT GUARANTEE a license.

For more information, you can take a look at the explanation I left recently in the St. Christopher forum about week ago. To make it easier, below is the same explanation.

Max

Residency, less strict than licensing, requires a training license in most states, or training permit, or whatever the state wants to call it. Normally an ECFMG certificate and good reference letters can get you into one, depending on how competitive it is. You go through the hospital's program director and hiring committee and are granted a contract, renewable every year and you are disposable at any time if you are incompetent, a trouble maker, a bad team player or the hospital runs out of funds. Little state intervention at this point, unless you are a big screw-up, then you will have the State up to it's eye balls in your case. The hospital must ensure you are competent to the state. Otherwise, guy's that walk in suits and ties and have a J.D. will have a feast and the hospital will loose its funds, accreditation and probably will end up being an apartment complex. I know some states that let you do residency in it but won't license you.

Licensing, requires all of the above plus completion of a training period that varies from 2-5 years depending on specialty. States have the last say. You may have done residency at Mayo clinic, and if the State you are applying deems the school you graduated from no-good, you are done for in that state. Also you better have a clean criminal record, nothing pending, in some states, not even civil cases. Different states have different rules, we know about California, Texas, Oregon, Indiana, etc. More technicalities than this, I tried to keep it as simple as possible.

Accreditation, a government body recognizes the degrees of an institution as totally valid and equal to those offered in such jurisdiction. An accrediting body, like the Middle States of Colleges and Universities, for example, pays a visit to the school, evaluates it in and out (everything, facilities, finances, professorship qualifications, etc. you name it they do it) and renders a decision to accredit it, meaning it has a high standard or and acceptable standard of education. Meets or exceeds, deficiencies, they can conditionally accredit your school until improvements are done, or simply say, no. But they will tell you why you failed to get accredited. LCME schools. California does this (site visits)to all so called pseudo-American offshore medical schools, (Ross, AUC, St. Georges, and almost everyone in the Caribbean). To State (or Government)sponsored schools, they normally go through diplomatic protocol and most of the times, accept the degree since it is assumed the foreing government has certain quality control processes in place to ensure the quality of education. In other words, it is not a cash cow. Texas is doing the same thing, I need to verify this.

Recognition, meaning that a jurisdiction knows about your school through another governmental body or an evaluation agency such as IMED-FAIMER, ECFMG, WHO. Almost any school can get this, as long as the school has a valid charter (pay its dues) there is no quality control, or very little if any, or it is not guaranteed. Reason why you have so many private medical schools in the Caribbean and other places around the Globe.

I guarantee that this chiropractor did not do on-line pre-clinical education with IUHS. He possibly could have been a transfer student. He could be an advanced standing student, but will guarantee no licensing due to the fact that he would not be able to convert his chiropractor courses to medicine.

Sorry, but I am in contact with certain people at IUHS and this is false.

I agree, calling someone a "liar" was rude. I just become frustrated to see a person come on this forum singing the praises of IUHS when so many have suffered from this school's activities.

If you read your post, it's easy to read your lies

First of all, this chiropractor did not attend this school. He went to UHSA, got advanced standing for his chiro science classes, did a few online classes, did rotations he set up himself at a local hospital and got his degree. He didn't match, but somehow got a residency program to take him. He will be able to get a license, but not in many states. However, most states will grant you a license if you have been licensed in another state for X amount of years. Through the back door, long way, he may be able to practice in a lot of states.

More and more states are now COMPLETELY black listing ALL graduates of any school that offers online classes, even if you didn't take the online classes.

The balance will shift in the next few years. Either most states will NOT accept the online credits.. OR they will come to terms with the times and accept it fully. Remember this, Ross was bought by DeVry 2 years ago.. an ONLINE school. Even Johns Hopkins, Harvard and Yale, etc.. offer online courses and almost ALL states accept continuing ed that is completed online. The online universities are getting bigger and gaining credibility. Even elem. and high schools in California are letting 4000 students do all their courses online this year.

I personally like the traditional way of learning in a class room. I do believe that you can learn just as well at your computer, in most subjects. I also believe if you can pass the boards, who cares where you went to school and if you did it online.
The biggest obstacle is this.. Most MDs are thinking.. I had to sit in classes, you should have to sit in classes. The traditional people in medicine believe if it was hard and long for them, it should be the same for you. They want the next generation to do more, know more and endure more, even though they don't want to learn more or be required to do more continuing ed.

Just my two cents...

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A bad day at school is still better than a good day at work.

My brother is at a Big 4 schools, and he says they get 1000s of MB of ppt and word docs a day (he took a special 4 giga USB key with him to the island). The prof. just stands there and reads all the material daily from 8-1 every day during which students tend to dose off. But when they come home/library, they hog on the ppt and word docs and study more effecively. Do I support online education? I'm not sure.

ULTRON

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drjohn got it right,,so carmen don t call me a liar,,ok be nice

Sorry to call you a liar, but you did have your facts wrong. This person did not take the on-line IUHS program. I personally don't like the idea of on-line since I think there are so many deficiencies to it, but that is not my argument. My problem is the way that IUHS is doing it. If done properly, who knows?

Sorry to call you a liar - but I know every grad from IUHS and this guy is not one of them.

Carmen