Here's the deal. Checked with the MCC. They recognize the school so you can write your Canadian exams. CARMS regonizes the school so you can enter the match. The provinces (the one's I've checked) have no provisions against on-line learning. It seems to be a U.S. problem. Maine said they accept the school but their are problems IMG's in general and the are investigating(bad speller). So for now all is O.K. in Canada. However...........Very difficult to match residency in Canada for IMG so you should start making connections. If you hear different info please write.

These schools spell trouble, avoid them as you will not obtain quality education.

Better to focus on schools with solid track records with licensed MDs.....why would anyone go to medical schools with licensure problems ??? waste of your hard earned $$$.... and time......as you might have to retake courses or re-do clinicals.......

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...the standards are so high in canada to practice medicine, even just to be accepted in a med school...let me doubt about your chances to do something with a such diploma.

Belated posting BUT it is intended for all reader:

The Canadian phenomenon has nothing to do with high standards. Don't buy into propaganda. It has everything to do with manpower planning. Period. Do not mistake one for the other. If you wanna proof let me know.

Magen-MD

The standards are knowed to be the highest in the world. Regarding the manpower planning, it's more a question of how much money the government is willing to put.

TO BEGIN WITH, I WILL ADDRESS THE CLAIM BELOW:
You wrote:
1. The standards are so high in canada to practice medicine, 2. even just to be accepted in a med school...let me doubt about your chances to do something with a such diploma.

I really don't think anyone would understand what you mean by "standards being high to practice medicine" So, I won't bother trying to understand your polemic statement like this, without wasting my time debating what you mean, here are some of the top 6 countries in the world in areas of sciences & medicine (lest we forget). Rankings for 2006:

RANK COUNTRY PAPERS CITATIONS CITATIONS
PER PAPER

1 USA 646,760
9,341,692
14.44
2 GERMANY 156,442
1,531,117
9.79
3 JAPAN 154,989
1,314,574
8.48
4 ENGLAND (UK) 152,858
1,908,950
12.49
5 FRANCE 103,249
1,058,274
10.25
6 ITALY 85,470
981,610
11.48

Therefore, even just to be accepted in a med school, has nothing to do with highest standards, than a systemic propaganda that benefits from keeping intellectual competition at bay. I know many many students who were students in Canada, with GPAs ranging from 3.7 to 3.9, who never got accepted into any Canadian med-school. Yet, these students got accepted to an American Medical School. Are you suggesting that Canadian standards admit only those with a GPA of 4.0? Why then does Canada not appear on the above ranking? Even more is that, I know students who have been admitted to with far lower GPAs than those that left Canada and joined universities like Creighton in Nebraska and others.

As you have confidently pointed out: "it's more a question of how much money the government is willing to put". You are right however, if the government is not willing to put in money, the best way to keep one's salary high is by keeping everyone else out of the system and crying wolf that you are overloaded with work while you enjoy the pain (false dramatization of things), while they really don't want real change of the circumstance.
Also visit: www.notcanada.com

And then you continue to say:
"...let me doubt about your chances to do something with a such diploma [in Canada]. This makes me wonder why you make such a statement. This statement sounds like a pre-emptive attack to discourage anyone daring to go and train out of the country (Canada) while you said NO to them and come back to put pressure on changing things. Canada, has more that 3000 foreign trained doctors/specialists, some of whom have worked with UN(WHO) and yet working in Pizzarias, McDonalds, Tax drivers etc etc. Instead of getting concerned with those that are now training out of the country, first get concerned with those that are roughing it out within the country.

TOP-DOWN POLITICS:
It is easy for anyone to achieve economic development, but not easy to achieve political development and avoid labour abuse. It is easy to boost one's international profile with propaganda than to resolve issues at home. Hence, it is attractive to say: "The world knows; Everyone knows, People know, etc etc etc" Just to affirm the antecedent.

N.b.: The graphic image of Rankings, did not come as expected. But it still is readable. The only problem is you won't be able to read what the individual numbers represent. Nonetheless, they are in order of their importance regarding the issue in question.

Regards,
Magen-MD

this thread is old and dead, magen-md, why are you responding to a post of almost a year ago. stop digging up old threads to disagree with someone.

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I'm like Internationally-known

Hey doc,

I got it.
I was just interested in what was raised by popo.

I trust I am done with it now. If no one responds to it.

regards,
Magen-MD

Magen, I don't know the reason why you are so angry against canada. The link you gave (www.notcanada.com) is just a stupid website bashing canada. But honestly, I really don't care.

I don't understand what your ranking has to to with the practice of medicine. And anyway, I think almost everybody will agree that americans and canadians are probably the best clinicians among the world.

Regarding the standards for being accepted in a med school in canada, let's say it's different. I don't necessarily agree with them, and in facts they are a little elitist. But they are definitly high. You disagree, but...on wich basis are made the admission criterias according to you?

YOU WROTE:
RESPONSE:
You overlooked the important substance in what I wrote. If thou art will, please go back and reread what I wrote. You will notice that I directly responded to your attempt to reinforce SCARED's fears about practising medicine in canada. You were feeding on her phobia. That is what I responded to.

ATTITUDE DOES NOT CHANGE OVERNIGHT:

POPO: If you read my posting objectively you will realise that there is no anger whatsoever. What you may not used to however, is the truth as contained therein. A quintessential lovable approach you are probably used to is: "I don't know, maybe things are different, I don't know maybe, I don't know....." If I approached it that way, you would probably have liked it better.

By the way the guy who started that website is a medical doctor too. If dismissing things as "stupid" without genuinely addressing any problem works for you, that should explain your approach to this matter and the rest of other social challenges. And good luck on your mission.

You also write:
I think almost everybody will agree that americans and canadians are probably the best clinicians among the world.

Nothing personal:
If one was given a choice to choose best clinicians from around the world, rated from #1 to #120 (1-120), would you hold in high esteem anyone who knowingly mixes #15 and #1 or regards #9 and #57 as the best? How can one find a logical explanation to such confusion? If anyone can let them be my guest. For I have no further explanation.

Satisfaction without performance breeds complacency and awards mediocrity at the expense of merit. For the sake of equalization of results. It is fairness in reverse.

Even CBC has aired so many cases like what I presented in my posting above, that you did not seem to like. In other words, Canada as a whole is aware of this phenomenon except you. Remember, I have said before, when I write about serious issues like this, I am not out for propaganda to boost anyone's international profile and image. Nor kiddish bashing of any body. It is not in my nature and interest. The population of Canada is above 32 million. The number of doctors registered and practicing in Canada is very low. There is a great need for MDs in many under-serviced areas. If you want detailed stats let me know. Do you really attribute such lack to high standards? Come on!

For your on information, true Canadian Statesmen protect Canadians through performance not propaganda. They address the needs of Canadians. And if there is any Canadian who would think you are right by not encouraging new doctors who want to practice medicine in Canada, I want to know.

It is not about the high standards, has nothing to do with being angry to Canada, it is about keeping everyone out of the system. Canadians know it. As much as they know that they need doctors. If only you listen to Canadians you will know that NONE agrees with the manpower planning style, because they are the ones surfering.

Canadians need MedCare that is backed by adequate number of doctors to take care of Cdns, not medcare on paper or high standards on paper (bureaucratic high standards).
For example: I understand, last month there was a case of appendicitis that had to be driven for hours, all the way to Montreal from wherever, the patient had been waiting for hours at one hospital before he was transported to a Montreal hospital. To cut the long story short, by the time he was seen and operated on, the appendix had already ruptured with extensive sepsis. This is just one out of many cases due to inadequate physicians to do the job on time. And by the way, high standards mean figuring such things out too.

If anyone thinks Canadians have to smile all the way to the hospital with such definition of high standards, for the sake of keeping a smile and avoiding anger, be my guest.

However, you are right to hint on the issue of the elitist theory, in regards to this issue. This shows you do recognize the problem but you just don't want to openly acknowledge it. I respect your approach. I just don't think it addresses any social problem haunting innocent real Canada in this regard.

Regards,

Magen-MD
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