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    Hi There, I'm very curious about the ELP distance learning program of this school. I think that it could be a cool way to do a medical program, if it really worked. Does anyone know, with utmost certainty, if a graduate of this program, who completes all of the ECFMG stuff and USMLE can eventually become licensed in any states? Looking forward to a reply. Thanks!

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    i cannot say with utmost certainty...however, it is safe to say the answer in several states is NO.

    the only way to find out is to call the states you are interested in, describe the program and ask what they think. if they say OK, i would go a step further and ask for that in writing.

    don't forget to think about residency as well. often, you will wind up doing a residency in a state different from where you plan to live. check the rules in states with lots of residency positions as the specialty you are looking for, as you will likely need to apply all over the US.

    it seems to me, that until these type programs become universal, it would be much more reasonalble to go look into established programs. these have the history behind them, and tend to be a safer bet, at least in the immediate future.

    good luck!

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    IUHS banned in Indiana

    IUHS was recently officially banned in the State of Indiana. Other U. S. states may follow.

    As has been said on this forum, you must check with each state medical board to learn about their licensure, minimum requirements.

    One must also keep in mind that ECFMG simply administers USMLE Steps I, II, and III. Neither ECFMG nor the steps of USMLE determines if a candidate may be licensed for unrestricted practice of medicine.

    Indiana is a perfect example as to your IUHS question. ECFMG recognizes IUHS as a foreign medical school approved by its home government (the island of St. Kitts, West Indies). Therefore, IUHS graduates can sit for all three USMLE steps. HOWEVER, IUHS was recently placed on the State of Indiana's list of unapproved foreign medicals schools. You will find this list of unapproved schools at www.state.in.us/hpb/boards/mlbi/instinfo.html. Therefore, one may score a perfect score on Steps I, II, III, and the Clinical Assessment, but will still be denied licensure in Indiana if your MD was issued by IUHS.

    Moral: Check with each state Board of Medicine, and most important, remember that IUHS and any foreign school may be allowed today but placed on the unapproved list the day after you graduate, or the day after you complete your residency.

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    Re: IUHS banned in Indiana

    Looks kinda scary for a number of carib schools. What does "possible approval" for AUC, Ross, and SGU mean?
    GRADUATES OF FOREIGN MEDICAL SCHOOLS
    In accordance with the provisions of IC 25-22.5-3-1(c) the Medical Licensing Board of Indiana has disapproved the following foreign medical schools:

    CIFAS School of Medicine

    Saint Lucia Health Sciences University

    Universidad Mexico Americano Del Norte
    (Northern University School of Medicine)

    Spartan Health Sciences University

    St. Matthews

    Antigua

    International University of Health Sciences (IUHS)

    Grace/St. Kitts

    The following schools are questionable and are reviewed on a case by case basis:

    Saba University

    Myanmaar Burma

    Manyula

    Guadalajara

    And the following osteopathic school:

    Clayton University (formerly: American International Open University)

    The following foreign medical schools were reinstated for possible approval for licensure (emphasis added):

    American University of the Caribbean School of Medicine (1984 to present)

    Ross University of Medicine (1984 to present)

    St. George's University School of Medicine ( 1984 to present)

    UTESA School of Medicine (1986 to present)

    CETEC University

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    Re: IUHS banned in Indiana

    means they reserve the right to deny you licensure if you have some major red flags.

    However look at the dates of the reinstatement....18 years ago !!
    That was a totally different climate for Caribbean schools. they were still very new at the time.

    I cannot vouch for Ross Univ people, but I personally know several AUC grads licensed in Indiana, some of whom are on faculty at residency programs

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    Licensure

    I recently have been inquiring about licensure by IUHS students or any medical school that provides "online" learning such as the ELP. According to New York and Illinois, a licensure requirement for any foreign medical graduate is a "residency requirement". Not residency like completing medical school and making the match ..rather..this means that your individual state may require a mandatory stay on the island or in the host country for a specified period. Currently, 13 states require a minumum of 54 weeks in residence. This means that if you were to attend the ELP at IUHS you could not be licensed in these states unless you chose to do the complete basic science program in St. Kitts. As many others have pointed out so far...It is up to you to check with each individual state in which you would like to obtain licensure... Also, a friend of mine on faculty at the Univ of Washington has said that there is a movement within the AMA to try and mandate.... that online medical education by schools outside of the USA should make the student ineligible for licensure in any state! YIKES! I guess that is part of the risk we take by attending "offshore" medical programs.

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    Licensure

    While it may be explicit in the language of the licensure act of only 13 states, let me assure you that with the kind of scrutiny FMG's undergo by state boards it is highly doubtful that you will get a license ANYWHERE if you complete any portion of your medical school education online.

    State medical boards can deny an FMG a license, even a training license for any reason, and online learning from a caribbean school is about as big a red flag as you can have.

    Let me give you the most basic advice: There are enough legitimate schools (SGU, Ross, AUC, Saba, MUA), now that you have options. Don't look for the easy way, look for the path that will assure you at least a strong chance for success.

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    So how can we explain UHSA graduates getting licensed?

    If what you say...let me assure you that with the kind of scrutiny FMG's undergo by state boards it is highly doubtful that you will get a license ANYWHERE if you complete any portion of your medical school education online... Is correct,then how come many students from UHSA, ANTIGUA have managed to get licensed in recent years and they completed their basic scienes online too? Just curious as to what is your position concerning these folks.

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    internet schools

    i have asked this question several times on the old forum and no one could give me names or locations it was always "i know of someone who...bla bla" or "my friend knows someone" you could also be mistaking a resident license with an unrestricted one. from what people have said and the questions i asked the medical board in florida, there isn't a comprehensive review of a file for a resident application like a full unrestricted license so maybe people sneak in. what i do know for a fact is that each of the twelve states i called REQUIRED that you take have between 54 and 72 weeks on the CAMPUS were your school is. this was in addition to the ecfmg cert., csa, tofel, and the who listing.

    it could also be that these doctors from online schools are practicing in the federal medical system which i've heard does not require you to hold a license to practice in any particular state so maybe they can practice with a license from west indies i don't know and haven't been able to check up b/c these jobs don't interest me. these jobs would be the ones that are least desireable like at reservations or federal prisons. again i don't know anyone who practices from an online school and if they are out there good for them they found a loophole and an easy way through med school. what i do know is that the regulations are pretty clear and no one can stop a state board from yanking a license ten or twenty years down the road when they figure out that it wasn't supposed to be issued to begin with.

    clear it up why don't you email a few medical boards, cahnces are you'll get the same responses i did two years ago.

    good luck

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    USHA

    Sam, you are completely mistaken. If you check the USHA website carefully, you will see that the people who graduated and got residencies and licenses went through their REGULAR program. Not one of these people did online learning or received advanced credit.

    If you have any doubts about what I have stated, simply call ANY state medical board and ask them if they accept online learning from a CARIBBEAN medical school for credit. And while you're at it, ask them if the will accept chiropractic school courses as credit for medical school.

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