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    redviking is offline Newbie
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    London medical college?

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    Any information on London Medical College appreciated. I went to their website and it says it is affliated with IUHS.

    Cheers! 8)

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    IUHS-->LMC

    I spoke to LMC directly via phone and email. the connection to IUHs is strange and not clear. LMC recently has become a "satellite" campus under the "umbrella" of IUHS. According to LMC, the relationship came about to provide more opportunities to students for online learning in the basic medical sciences as well as "campus options" whatever that means.
    It may mean that they intend to offer the traditional basic sciences curriculum online...by using the IUHS taskcare online classroom management/services... Taskcare currently provides the online classroom services for the problem based learning curriculum of IUHS..

    Also, the website indicates that LMC offers financial aid..They do not..They (like IUHS) offer unrealistic payment options to students. IUHS charges students $1000 per month per trimester. This is quite difficult to manage if you are single and trying to continue working fulltime. LMC has a similar situation. They offer a scholarship of sorts... this knocks tuition down to $3600 per trimester.. LMC gives you the option to pay this by credit card or in four installments.. $900 per month. According to the LMC represenative "real" loans will not be available to much later this year. I find this a strange coincidence as IUHS is on schedule to supposedly participate in Medachiever/Teri type loans "much later this year". The administration of LMC and IUHS do not offer much more on the relationship between the two schools other than ther is an affiliation.

    If you are thinking of doing the online program route... Do not be mislead! IUHS is notorious for painting a rosey picture that online is the answer for the working individual. It is actually more time consuming than sitting in a classroom. The amount of power point presentations, online quizzes, online notes, addendum to online notes, as well as traditional reading assignments is quite voluminous! Oh, almost forgot the 4 hour online end of trimester testing.. Which requires you to have a mentor/tutor present that must be approved by the school in advance..and this cannot be a relative, friend, or co-worker.. IUHS has on occassion gone as far suggesting to students that they take their exams at a local community college and PAY for a tutor to be present for the test! Most schools charge $25-$30 hour for this..so, thats approximately $100 per test! In addition to your tuition costs! Students have been mislead to think that it is possible to maintain a 40 hour work week and successfully complete the online curriculum... NOT SO! Most students at IUHS do not work more than 25 hours per week... Others do not even work ..but are fortunate as their significant other/spouses are supporting the household while they are doing the program... Again, if you are single and in a middle income type job trying to finance this type of education... work fultime..attend online school fulltime is daunting and near impossible! If LMC is setup similar to IUHS then you will face the same dilemmas and obstacles...

    Also of concern.. Taskcare dot com manges/provides the online technology for the IUHS online classroom. What is interesting is that the chief financial officer of IUHS is also on the board of directors for taskcare (given by a source which I have been unable to completely confirm) and also is reported that Taskcare is owned by several of the administrators/faculty of IUHS. So, not only are they making money from tuition, teaching, they are also marketing their "dot com educational tool". It would appear/seem that if LMC is under the umbrella of IUHS as a satellite school it is probably due to the fact that several of its faculty are also on faculty with IUHS. The "online program" enables faculty (of both schools) to be anywhere in the world.. Dr. Roderick Neame is the vice chancellor of IUHS and is located in the UK (despite the fact that IUHS is physically located in ST. Kitts). Even more amazing is that his picture appears on the LMC website on the welcoming page! So, the real question is..Are LMC and IUHS basically one and the same? Just two ways of presenting the basic sciences medical scholl curriculum online?!

    In addition to this...the majority of students attending IUHS were never informed of the "link" to LMC. Instead most of them discovered this via "suffering the web"...and from questions posed by students from other foreign medical schools!

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    LMC not listed under FAIMER

    Thanks for all the good information!

    I went and checked London Medical College on the FAIMER website http://imed.ecfmg.org/search.asp and to my surpirse, it was not listed as a "satellite campus" under IUHS of St. Kitts. However, IUHS was listed and is recognized as a foreign medical school in St. Kitts.


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    Reply to Doogie

    Doogie,

    I believe that you must done some research, but I think that you failed to understand some very important basic issues. First, 3500 to 4000 dollars per semester is a very reasonable tuition rate for Medical School - compare that to the 10 thousand dollar plus rate for Ross, the 6 thousand plus rate for many of the other schools in the caribbean. This is not an unreasonable amount by any means. Secondly, you have posted the complaint regarding the testing amounts for the IUHS examinations. Again, I think that this should in fact be lauded - this is a way for a school to ensure the validity of their testing methods, and the results that students achieve. It is fair for all other students when being compared to each other to know that everyone played on a level field, and the results mean something. Paying 100 dollars per semester for testing is again, not unreasonable - it is much less than having the school arrange the examinations through Prometric, for example.

    I don't know anything about the London Medical College per se, but I went to their website as well. What I got out of the website is that they are a "satellite campus," in that the studentst that study there receive their degrees from IUHS, not from LMC. I believe that information is posted right on their website. I don't think that there is anything not openly revealed there - it appears that both IUHS and LMC are being very straight forward with their disclosurese of the relationships between the schools.

    As for the work of medical school and the difficulty of maintaining a full time job - medical school is difficult. You have to put in the time and effort to learn. You have to read, read, and read some more. I don't understand why anyone would complain about receiving "volumes," of supplementary study material from a school - that is what every student wants. It is better to have concise, thorough material than having to read large textbooks for each class. At least that is my opinion.

    Again, everyone has to make the decisions regarding their school choices themselves. But the problems that you communicate in your post do not seem to be very severe, or even warrant much complaining.

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    IUHS/LMC

    Circus,

    First, I would like to point out that my reply to redviking was not "complaining" as you indicate several times in your post. I was and I am simply stating the facts. If these facts are negative this does not constitute a "complaint".

    Regarding tuition for London Medical College and IUHS, 3600 to 4000 dollars is very reasonable at first glance..especially compared to ROSS, SABA, St. Matthew's, and St. George's. However, these schools participate in student loan programs. Expecting a medical student to pay $900 to $1000 per month (in lieu of student loan funds) remains unrealistic for a "certain catagory" of medical student.

    The type of student I describe may only earn between $40-$50K per year. (For discussion sake I will use national averages). If this person is single and earning $50K, after tax take home pay is approxiamtely $2850 per month. Subtract from this: any rent/mortgage, car insurance, car payment, utilities, misc bills, and groceries. The estimated national living budget for a major metropolitan area is $1350 per month ($2850-$1350 =
    $1500). Now, subtract tuition from this $1500-1000= $500. Expecting a person to surivive with $500 in the bank (or less) is not realistic.

    Obviously, medical school is a huge financial burden. Anyone that has embarked on this path is fully aware of the economic implication. Student loans are what help to make this education attainable for many. It appears that the type of student best suited for attending schools such as IUHS or LMC would be married/attached in a two income household or this person is from an upper economic class.

    Strange that you make mention of Prometric. This is the agency that IUHS use to contract with to administer its testing. IUHS abandoned use of Prometric after the evolution/development of taskcare dot com. This is the agnecy that administers/services the online classroom AND all testing. According to several students from IUHS, they were not informed of the details pertaining to test adminstration, nor that they would incur added test expenses, prior to their enrollment at IUHS. Also, I was mistaken with the quotation of the $100. It has been brought to my attention that students at IUHS have 2 block exams within one trimester. Therefore, the cost of testing is $200 per semester in addition to tuition.

    I am in agreement with your point that a monitored/proctored test setting is the only manner in which to ensure the validity of online learning/testing. I do not agree that the student should have to shoulder this added expense (especially if you are the student described in the example above) without full disclosure of this added cost prior to enrolling at the institution. The main reason I made mention of this fact in my reply to redviking was not to "complain" but provide him/her with the facts pertaining to expenses that he/she would encounter.

    The chief financial officer of IUHS is one of the developers/board members of taskcare dot com. To an outside third party it might appear that IUHS may not have wanted the continued expense of a contract with prometric, and this lead to the development of taskcare dot com. Now, the responsiblity for finding an approved test site, an approved proctor, and the expense of testing lies clearly with the student. I believe that potential students should be aware of this before submitting their application and application fee to IUHS. If they have full disclosure of all possible expenses, testing proceedures, text requirements etc., in advance of submitting their application fee, application, or even their seat deposit...they will at least be able to make the best decision for themself and will at least be able to make an "informed" choice.

    While researching which medical school to select, I have spoken directly to LMC. According to their rep, they are a "bonafide satellite campus" of IUHS. When a person graduates from LMC the degree will read "London Medical College under auspices of the International Univ of Health Sciences".

    Medical school is unquestionably difficult. People that have chosen to pursue this course of study are well aware of the rigor/concentration/sacrafice that it entails. You erroneously assumed that my commentary pertaining to the "volumes of material" downloaded by IUHS students was unjustified. Also, IUHS student are required and expected to read ALL the same required texts as other programs IN ADDITION to ALL the power point presentations, online notes, addenda to online notes, and quizzes. Recently, an IUHS student advised me that the number of pages of material they were required/expected to download in one trimester ranges from 2000 (for a lite trimester) to 3000! AGAIN, This is in addition to the required text readings and assignments. Unfortunately, the students with whom I have spoken indicate that they must wade through ALL the material; as some professors will only take their exam questions from the text while others only from the notes. I do not find - nor do the students that I have spoken with- that 2000 to 3000 pages in addition to the required text reading to be a "concise" method of presenting material.

    The problems faced by IUHS students, as expressed to me while questioning them regarding their program, are indeed challenging and difficult. While they may not seem severe (in your opinion) those students that are struggling through them would disagree. At the risk of being redundant, my reply to redviking was not a complaint. It is simply... according to my research... the reality of students attending IUHS and more than likely LMC.

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    Does it mean that IUHS curriculum is more rigorous?

    After all, downloading and reading all that material seems more rigorous at prima facie.

    What are your objective thoughts about this?

    Sam

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    Does London Medical College still exist?

    The web site of London Medical College is no longer functioning. Does anyone know if LMC still exists? Did it ever? Does IUHS still have LMC as its campus in England? THANKS.

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    Website is running.

    The website is running as of today. I was just there.

    http://www.mcl-edu.co.uk

    As far as its affiliation, here is what the website says:

    "Medical College of London operates as a UK affiliate of the College of Medicine and Health Sciences, St. Lucia, who grants the primary medical qualification for students enrolled in the M.D. program via an affiliate agreement. "

    I hope this is helpful.
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    London Medical College is NOT Medical College of London

    Mutig25: The web site you noted is the Medical College of London. However, the alleged London affiliate of St. Kitts' IUHS campus is "London Medical College". Evidently, MCL and LMC are separate institutions, each affiliated with a different, "off-shore" main campus. To repeat an earlier question: Does anyone know if the IUHS affiliated "London Medical College" really exists in England, did it ever really exist, and, are there any on-campus students at LMC in England? For that matter, does IUHS still have dlp students, how many on-camps (St. Kitts) students are there now, and what is the DLP-program, USMLE Step One pass rate?

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    LMC or MCL

    Either way, both will be relatively 'suspect' schools since you have little chance of licensing if you attend schools that are 'virtual' and not WHO approved in the place where they are teaching.

    These schools are trying to attract 'idiots' who don't do checking and realize they have little chance of getting licensed if you attend one of them.

    I don't understand why the English govt. doesn't do something about them.

    see www.internetmedicalschool.homestead.com

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