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    Hi everybody,

    I have done some general research about admissions, cost of living, and study curriculum in both Semmelweis and Debrecen medical schools. I am Canadian student with a Bachelor's degree in Medical Science.

    From the numerous number of posts I read, I learned that getting admitted into Hungarian medical schools is fairly easy. However, successfully finishing the English program in 6 year can be a challenge for some. The drop-rate is jaw-droppingly high compared to Canadian and US medical schools (3% drop-rate for most Canadian medical school). I was wondering if this is due to less strict admission policies of Hungarian medical schools?

    The costs of living appears to be cheaper in Debrecen compared to Semmelweis. I presume this is because Semmelweis is located in the capital, Budapest.

    I have read some negative reviews about the general examination process in Hungarian medical schools. It appears as though most of their exams are oral and how well one can do in them depends on the attitude and mood of the professors (examiners). Can someone please confirm if this is true?

    I also learned that with Semmelwies medical school, the classes are scattered all over the city. So, you would need to commute a lot, which can be a major inconvenience at times. But, with Debrecen, everything is located within leg's reach (5-10 min walk between lecture halls, labs, etc).

    The degree that one obtains from both Semmelwies and Debrecen is essentially the same, and yet it costs more to study at Semmelwies. I wonder if someone could argue in favour of Semmelwies when being compared to Debrecen?

    I agree, some of you might say to stay in Canada and try for Canadian or US medical schools. If you look at their statistics, you wouldn't even feel like applying. For instance, over 4500 applicants apply to McMaster Medical School in Canada. Around 500 are called in for interview and only 200 actually make it. I am sure a huge proportion of these applicants are very competent individuals with good academic records, and yet a very small number of them are admitted. And for Canadian/US medical school grades aren't the only criteria that they assess in the process of admission. They look at your volunteer work, your commitment, your awards and accomplishments, your research experience, your reference letters, your MCAT scores, etc. I have done a lot of volunteer work, I got good recommendation letters, and my average is decent (87%), my MCAT score is 9-8-11 and yet I stand no chance.

    I personally know many people doing a second undergraduate degree after their graduation to improve their chances of getting into Canada/US medical schools, but I think they are just wasting their valuable time. I think going to an Eastern European country is a much better option.


    I am planning on applying to Semmelwies and Debrecen, please let me know which one you think is better and why?

    On the side, I wonder how everybody feels about Hungarian VS Polish medical schools (i.e. which one do they recommend and why)?

    Cheers,
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    moosehead is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    Also, I was looking for statistics on Hungarian medical school graduates securing a residency in either Canada or US. Unfortunately I couldn't find any information on that. If someone could enlighten us on that aspect, it will be much appreciated.

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    Hey moosehead!

    I'm a Canadian student considering Semmelweis. To be honest, I'm in the same boat as you. I went to Mac and after two years of trying couldnt get into any Canadian medical schools despite focused clinical research under practicing radiation oncologists, hundreds of hours of volunteer work, solid references from practicing MDs and a good MCAT score. My concerns are the same as yours.

    I've read many posts warning students like us to not attend this program and I cant find any concrete evidence as to whether those people are right or wrong. Its insane that a school as old as Semmelweis doesnt have such information readily available (or easy to find) for prospective students. As a Canadian student, didnt the admissions requirements for Semmelweis seem suspect to you? they did to me. If I get an acceptance letter I'm not sure how I'll respond.

    If you manage to gather any of that information, could you post it here?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moosehead View Post
    Hi everybody,

    I have done some general research about admissions, cost of living, and study curriculum in both Semmelweis and Debrecen medical schools. I am Canadian student with a Bachelor's degree in Medical Science.

    From the numerous number of posts I read, I learned that getting admitted into Hungarian medical schools is fairly easy. However, successfully finishing the English program in 6 year can be a challenge for some. The drop-rate is jaw-droppingly high compared to Canadian and US medical schools (3% drop-rate for most Canadian medical school). I was wondering if this is due to less strict admission policies of Hungarian medical schools?

    The costs of living appears to be cheaper in Debrecen compared to Semmelweis. I presume this is because Semmelweis is located in the capital, Budapest.

    I have read some negative reviews about the general examination process in Hungarian medical schools. It appears as though most of their exams are oral and how well one can do in them depends on the attitude and mood of the professors (examiners). Can someone please confirm if this is true?

    I also learned that with Semmelwies medical school, the classes are scattered all over the city. So, you would need to commute a lot, which can be a major inconvenience at times. But, with Debrecen, everything is located within leg's reach (5-10 min walk between lecture halls, labs, etc).

    The degree that one obtains from both Semmelwies and Debrecen is essentially the same, and yet it costs more to study at Semmelwies. I wonder if someone could argue in favour of Semmelwies when being compared to Debrecen?

    I agree, some of you might say to stay in Canada and try for Canadian or US medical schools. If you look at their statistics, you wouldn't even feel like applying. For instance, over 4500 applicants apply to McMaster Medical School in Canada. Around 500 are called in for interview and only 200 actually make it. I am sure a huge proportion of these applicants are very competent individuals with good academic records, and yet a very small number of them are admitted. And for Canadian/US medical school grades aren't the only criteria that they assess in the process of admission. They look at your volunteer work, your commitment, your awards and accomplishments, your research experience, your reference letters, your MCAT scores, etc. I have done a lot of volunteer work, I got good recommendation letters, and my average is decent (87%), my MCAT score is 9-8-11 and yet I stand no chance.

    I personally know many people doing a second undergraduate degree after their graduation to improve their chances of getting into Canada/US medical schools, but I think they are just wasting their valuable time. I think going to an Eastern European country is a much better option.


    I am planning on applying to Semmelwies and Debrecen, please let me know which one you think is better and why?

    On the side, I wonder how everybody feels about Hungarian VS Polish medical schools (i.e. which one do they recommend and why)?

    Cheers,
    Hi moosehead
    I completely agree with what you have said about Debrecen, in that if the professor hates students, and there are some that hate foreign students, who will fail you, and will make things very, very hard for you to pass the exams.

    I personally have experienced this. You have to be prepared to have a very tough 6 years ahead of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonto-silver View Post
    Hi moosehead
    I completely agree with what you have said about Debrecen, in that if the professor hates students, and there are some that hate foreign students, who will fail you, and will make things very, very hard for you to pass the exams.

    I personally have experienced this. You have to be prepared to have a very tough 6 years ahead of you.
    I totally agree. Some examiners have issues and in many times give you a grade less than what you deserve, but they rarely fail you only because they feel like it. It's tough to go through oral exams in this school "Debrecen" but it's not impossible. If you work hard you will finish your studies in time. As for the education, the limiting factor is your effort. If you read on your own and do your research and do some training in your country during the summer then I think you'll be satisfied with the school. If you expect them to hold your hand and teach you then you will be greatly disappointed. There are some good teachers and some average and even some bad ones, but in the end if you put in the effort to learn you'll become a decent doctor. As for the Budapest school, I heard that they have some issues with foreign students and that they discriminate against them based on ethnicity. Generally, I think that both schools are the same levels, only Debrecen has a better studying environment.

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