Anybody seen any commercials with lawyers advertising for people harmed by vaccines? I haven't but I odn't watch much TV. Wouldn't suprise me. I see the ones for Phen-fen, Baycol and Rezulin all the time. Also the one's for Cerebral Palsey....even though as far as I can tell, there is no known cause of CP. We can get money based on opinions and hunches.

There are lots of idiots who won't vaccinate their kids. My young'un has had every vaccine he can possibly get. I'm glad that the vaccines are available. This push toward herbal medicine and other "natural" cures just kills me. Not because it doesn't work, but becasue it does. At least when I write a prescription I know how much I am giving, what to expect, elimination, side effects etc. When the "Naturopaths" give stuff they don't know how much of the active drug they are giving, what the hell else is in the drug they are giving, the side effects, the long term effects, effects on children etc. When are people going to start suing them? It's only a matter of time. G

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Here is an excellent commentary by an individual qualified to discuss both sides of the coin regarding the vaccine issue, Randy Ferrance, DC, MD

Here's the link: http://www.jcca-online.org/client/cca/JCCA.nsf/objects/Volume+47-1-2/$file/Pages04-07.pdf

I have gotten the kids vaccinated and continue to do so because it makes sense. I have heard the arguments pro and con about it. However, I do take a more cautious approach about the schedule. Once we ran behind getting shots for one of the kids. He had to have 4 in one day. He later got so sick he was admitted and they had no clue as to what he had. Could have been a cold or a reaction for overloading his sytem. Nobody knew. From that point on, the only multiple I allowed on one day was MMR. If I had to I came back week after week to get caught up or get shots on schedule.

I could care less about giving other kids multiple shots. It doesn't hurt me to do that. (I hope that is understood). But when it comes to my kids I take a more irrational approach. Its just me. They still get them, but they do not get mulitples of anything if I can help it.

Cheers

you wrote " chiropractor training makes medical school significantly easier"

Only anatomy. Some PD.

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Dear friends:

After graduating from college I attended Osteopathic school for a year, and took my first year basic sciences there. I left osteopathic school for reasons that were out of my control (an anxiety disorder). After Osteo school I attended a year of Oriental medicine school (acupuncture and herbology) and then decided to attend chiro school, since I really enjoyed manual manipulation and touching/healing patients. As someone else mentioned in this thread there are two camps of schools in the chiro education; one that is based on philosophy (and not so much science and evidence) and one that relies on science and evidence. I happenned to attend a school that was based on science and evidence. In chiro school I received full credit for all my Osteo classes, but had to take classes that are covered in the second year of Med school. I can tell you all that the textbooks that were used in chiro school were exactly the same as Med school. Netter and Moore for anatomy, Champe and Harvey for Biochem, Robins for pathology, Guyton for physiology, the only textbook that I had that was not used in chiro school was champe and harveys pharmacology. Since prescriptive rights are not within the scope of practice of a chiropractic physician (yes chiropractors are physicians within 19 U.S. states including Michigan where I practice now).
I did notice that some subjects that were covered and tested on in Osteo school were not covered in chiro school, for example renal clearance formulas were not covered; again since a chiropractor would not be in a position to use such info when practicing. So, if I had to do it again, I would've started in Chiro school learning all subjects especially the basic sciences thoroughly, so that way Med school would not have been that hard. I remember seeing a paper recently pointing out the deficiencies of graduating M.D. docs in the realm of neuromuscoloskeletal competency. As a chiro this is my realm, I treat NMS conditions without drugs and surgery, and when I can't help the patient I refer to the family doc, orthopod, surgeon, or whomever that is competent to help the patient.
I may not be that knowledgeable as a radiation oncologist (which BTW a good friend of mine is at the NIH) when it comes to treating cancer, but I have the training to detect some tumors on x-*** (I still get all x-rays read by a radiologist, though), and when I know it is cancer, or any condition outside of my scope of practice I refer. I treat the local Ob/Gyn and family doc, and I have a good working relationship with them.
BTW I'm still young and plan on attending med school (this time M.D.) out of the country. Nepal, india, and eastern europe are in order of my choices. I beleive in an Intregrative approach to medicine (for more info visit www.askdrweil.com). Oh yeah my anxiety disorder is under control I healed myself through yoga; which I also use in my practice (I am a registered yoga therapist). Two years of paxil didn't help at all, it just made me not care.

Ali

Well, avoid Nepal for now. There is a civil war going on there!

It's good to see someone else who see's there is two different types of chiropractors. I'm glad you metioned our basic sciences are very similar to medicine, good luck on obtaining your M.D.

I don't want to be disrespectful because I understand education is an individual thing i.e. you learn many things yourself,not based on who is teaching you. But the level of educators at most chiropractic schools is nowhere close to med schools. Look at the backgrounds between these 2 groups of faculty:

http://www.nycc.edu/aom/faclist.html

compare that to just the anatomy dept of Mt. Sinai

http://adsr13.mssm.edu/domains/dept/...bjname=cellbio

Most chiropractic schools don't have many MD's or PHD's teaching in them.

You are now going to become an MD. You won't be having to put out those silly brochures

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

that say how many hours of 'equivalent to an MD' training you get in medical school. You will be dealing with science rather than trying to convince patients that their health problems are due to
Subluxations.

I can understand you wanting to defend your previous profession but when you are entering a scientific profession part of your education must be to deal with reality. I am not anti-chiropractic...chiropractic has its place in helping lower back pain. But there are way too many 'weirdo's in the profession and I can understand you wanting to distance yourself from people who are going to seminars to try and get patients to be patients for life,etc.

the url for the med school faculty is:

http://adsr13.mssm.edu/domains/dept/...bjname=cellbio

definite prime instigator without proper background most of the time. i was working in a family practice when that idiotic article came out and it was all over the news in miami b/c dan marino's kid is autistic so there is a relative large amount of coverage on it. i i actually had to write out a paper describing why it wasn't true to give out to patients b/c of the many requests to cancel their child'd immunizations. i was also there for the rezulin disaster and that pill that supposedly was a pain killer somewhere between percocet and dilaudid but with out opiod effect, i can't remember the name but it was recalled after two months or something b/c one person had renal failure i beleive and the company didn't want the bad PR after the phen phen deal. which we got a report a year later showing that after a larger population study there was no significant difference in dopplers of patients whom had taken the combo and other similar grouped people. enough ranting, back to physio

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