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Old 11-28-2006, 05:24 PM
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DC works 2 jobs to pay off debt

Chiropractor works 2 jobs to chip away at $165,000 in school debt - USATODAY.com
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:18 PM
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There will always be successes and failures in any profession; however, in this case she is working about as a much as medical resident and earning about the same that a resident would. I suspect after 3-4 years in practice she will be pretty much on par for about $100,000 or so.

The first few years out of school are often very challenging for DCs because they are unwilling to move to underserved areas. So many want to stay in and around the city where they went to chiropractic school, which are always very saturated areas.
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sound about right.... reimbursement is not getting any better. It is always tough when you get out of school.
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But MD doesnt have 50+% drop out of the profession after three years post-grad. How do u explain this? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Let be real Chiropractic wont work or get any legitimacy, if you guys still have people running around Walmart, swap-meet, or God's know where to try get patients. Man, those spinal screening is real objective. I have never seen so many people who getting diagnosis of scoliosis or spinal misalignment in my life hahhaha. Oh, how exactly does putting ur vitamins sublingually effect ur muscles fibers again? I didnt know neuromusculo junction using vitamins to contract. Last time i check with some guy named Guyton, it's using sequested intraCalcium to start actin and myosin contraction. Oh, don't get me start it on subluxation complex using neuron model! Have u guys proof that subluxation exist yet? It's only like 200 years already rite. Just go to medical schools and be happy that u can actually help people with real disease. Good luck to all D.C. Much love. Long live BJ Palmer maybe ur profession flourish like flowers in spring.
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Old 05-14-2007, 04:15 PM
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But MD doesnt have 50+% drop out of the profession after three years post-grad. How do u explain this? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Let be real Chiropractic wont work or get any legitimacy, if you guys still have people running around Walmart, swap-meet, or God's know where to try get patients. Man, those spinal screening is real objective. I have never seen so many people who getting diagnosis of scoliosis or spinal misalignment in my life hahhaha. Oh, how exactly does putting ur vitamins sublingually effect ur muscles fibers again? I didnt know neuromusculo junction using vitamins to contract. Last time i check with some guy named Guyton, it's using sequested intraCalcium to start actin and myosin contraction. Oh, don't get me start it on subluxation complex using neuron model! Have u guys proof that subluxation exist yet? It's only like 200 years already rite. Just go to medical schools and be happy that u can actually help people with real disease. Good luck to all D.C. Much love. Long live BJ Palmer maybe ur profession flourish like flowers in spring.
Thats a very closed minded observation...have you read enough literature to make such an observation?
Not all chiropractors claim to be able to treat everything.....
And not all work 2 jobs to pay off debt...some make out just fine 200+ easily....whatever it is you do, u just have to be good at it, and love what you do. For some people, its chiropractic....those who went into it for the right reasons.

Notice how chiropractors dont knock anyone? ( At least the ones confidant in their work)
Grow up, make ur own living, dont worry about anyone else. There is no need to talk badly of any other profession...its unprofessional, and ignorant.
Everyone is trying to make a living just like you. There is no need to be so arrogant about it.
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well instead saying that i m unprofessional and ignorant why dont u address specific issues about what i typed? Like about the stat 50% of all recent graduated chiro will leave the profession after 3 years? I got that from ACA newsletter in 1999. Where did u get ur sources? How about reference for me any double-blind study that prove that subluxation complex exist? Correct me if i m wrong isnt subluxation complex is the whole foundation of chiropractic? Since i m so poorly read, please show me the scientific research that proof that. Can you use actual physiology to explain your chiropractic techniques to me? Like; AK, BEST, NET, Gonstead, and diversify? Oohs, since i m so poorly read, i actually take the time to read up on ur chiro techniques. Oh one last question from a very ignorant man, please enlight me how does plain film X-*** diagnosis subluxation complex? By subluxation complex i mean the definition by chiropractic of misalignment of joint, not the AMA def of subluxation ie, dislocation. Can you reference to any JMPT article? I am so eager await for that. Maybe u can go to SCUHS radiology department, and ask them to find it for you. However, I would not hold my breath, if i was you. Because if you hold your breath you will go to hypoxic states, which cause vasoconstriction in ur pulmonary lungs vascularures leading to pulmonary hypertension, loud and narrow S2, and right ventricle hypertrophy. Oh wait your brain cant handle more than 5min without oxygen, so i was wrong. In my defense, I am poorly-read and ignorant. Please enlight me with the previous questions i opposed to you.
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Old 05-17-2007, 05:28 AM
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Oh here is another article for u to read!

Since i m so poorly-read on this subject, please read it and enlight me!
Accreditor Implicated in Chiropractic College Overutilization Scam, Faces Hearing with US Department of Education

The Council on Chiropractic Education (CCE), the professional accrediting body for every chiropractic professional school in the United States, has been summoned to an upcoming meeting of the U.S. Department of Education to answer questions regarding several unaddressed complaints which pertain to its renewal of recognition with the agency.

Washington, DC (PRWEB) May 18, 2006 -- The Council on Chiropractic Education (CCE), the sole accrediting body for all chiropractic schools in the United States, faces possible loss of recognition by the U.S. Department of Education (USDOE) arising from its handling of three open complaints pertaining to chiropractic schools accredited by the agency.

The first two complaints were filed in 2003 by the Council of New Jersey Chiropractors (CNJC) and Doctors for Excellence in Chiropractic Education (DECE). In the DECE complaint USDOE found that CCE failed to provide information requested by CNJC and had several conflicts of interest in its Board of Directors which had interfered with accreditation decisions. The outcome of the second complaint by CNJC has not yet been determined.

The third and most serious complaint was filed in 2004 by a 1996 graduate of the Life University College of Chiropractic named Allen Botnick from Plainfield, NJ. Dr. Botnick established that CCE violated USDOE accreditation requirements by not investigating his complaint in a fair and timely manner after nine months had passed without the agency taking action on a complaint pertaining to Life University in Marietta, Georgia. The complaint detailed numerous violations at the school including: the use of anti-medical propaganda in course texts, unapproved diagnosis procedures, exaggeration of the benefits of chiropractic care, overutilization of x-rays, inadequate clinical experiences, unqualified faculty and the promotion of unethical practice management procedures. After discovering the problems Dr. Botnick surrendered all chiropractic licenses. He refuses to practice, stating that his education did not teach him to identify and treat patient complaints in a safe, effective and ethical manner...
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Honestly, you sound like a blathering idiot when you go off on your Chiro-bashing rant.

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well instead saying that i m unprofessional and ignorant why dont u address specific issues about what i typed? Like about the stat 50% of all recent graduated chiro will leave the profession after 3 years? I got that from ACA newsletter in 1999. Where did u get ur sources?
I would love to see you provide YOUR source. Simply saying that you read it somewhere means absolutely nothing to me.

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How about reference for me any double-blind study that prove that subluxation complex exist? Correct me if i m wrong isnt subluxation complex is the whole foundation of chiropractic?
You're wrong.

Subluxation complex is an outdated theory that is slowly being phased out by younger, more recent grads. Yes, unfortunately it's still being taught, but more and more DC's are moving away from it in their practice. You're forgetting that Chiropractic as a profession is barely over 100 years old. With only about 40 years of regulated, licensed practice. Medicine used to involve leeches and blood-letting, until some time passed and more research was done. If the AMA wasn't so busy trying to suffocate Chiropractic as a profession, maybe we'd have more federal and state funding to do our research. Instead, DC schools have to rely on private funding for 90% of their research.

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Since i m so poorly read, please show me the scientific research that proof that. Can you use actual physiology to explain your chiropractic techniques to me? Like; AK, BEST, NET, Gonstead, and diversify? Oohs, since i m so poorly read, i actually take the time to read up on ur chiro techniques.
Again, research is needed to disprove or prove the efficacy of many chiropractic techniques. I can't speak for other doctors, but I can tell you that Diversified is a technique that has been researched and tested for efficacy the most. It addresses musculo-skeltal issues directly, as well as disc and joint dysfunction. If you bothered to actually read up on it, you'd see that it's the most prevalently used technique among DC's.

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Oh one last question from a very ignorant man, please enlight me how does plain film X-*** diagnosis subluxation complex? By subluxation complex i mean the definition by chiropractic of misalignment of joint, not the AMA def of subluxation ie, dislocation. Can you reference to any JMPT article? I am so eager await for that. Maybe u can go to SCUHS radiology department, and ask them to find it for you.
Why are you so hung up on the whole Subluxation Complex thing? Is that the only thing you know about Chiropractic?

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However, I would not hold my breath, if i was you. Because if you hold your breath you will go to hypoxic states, which cause vasoconstriction in ur pulmonary lungs vascularures leading to pulmonary hypertension, loud and narrow S2, and right ventricle hypertrophy. Oh wait your brain cant handle more than 5min without oxygen, so i was wrong. In my defense, I am poorly-read and ignorant. Please enlight me with the previous questions i opposed to you.
Wow, you really impressed us all with your "knowledge" of pulmonolgy and cardiology. Was there a particular reason you felt the need to include that?


And as a practicing DC, I can tell you that people like you are a diminishing minority. Open-minded, intelligend MD's are finding out more about spinal manipulaiton and it's benefits for their patients. I work together with PT's, OT's, orthopedists, neurologists and plenty of other PCP's and specialists. And unlike you, they don't feel threatened by another branch of healthcare. They understand that I can help their patients in a way that they cannot. Same goes for me. I know that I'm a musculoskeletal specialist and don't claim that I can cure emphysema or a Baker's cyst with spinal manipulation.


And as far as your claim that half of us leave our profession after three years. Well, out of my class of 80, the class of 120 before me and the class of 100 after me, I know of maybe 10 people that don't practice anymore. And half of them stopped because of injuries, not because they couldn't cut it anymore. I had to bust my *** for the first year or so, just like every new grad does. Consider it our version of residency. Lots of work, little pay.

Like the other poster said. Do your own thing. And spend less time bashing other professions. Do you go off on Podiatrists and Dentists, telling them to go to medical school so they can learn how to treat "real diseases"?
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I was accepted to Life for this summer and put it off for a year. I still have a lot of concerns about the cost of $80,000 or more debt as soon as I graduate. I've been looking at med school for the simple fact that I have more options after medical school than chiropractic school. What else can you do with a DC except chiropractic work. When some medical school cost less than $4000 a semester and takes 3years (same as chiropractic school), why should I choose Chiropractic school?

As for Life University's issues a few years ago, there were personal issues b/w the Dean and someone on the accreditation board. Both were asked to step down and all alligation were unfounded. Some students that semester did leave b/c of the conflicts. I live 8 hours away from the nearest Chiropractic school, yet there are 3 chiroprators in my little town. I don't know how they make a living in this town, but all seem to be doing ok. I think there are starting to be more Chiropractors than before and too many in the same area could be a potiental problem in the near future.

So I heard both sides of the arguement. What should I choose?
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I was accepted to Life for this summer and put it off for a year. I still have a lot of concerns about the cost of $80,000 or more debt as soon as I graduate. I've been looking at med school for the simple fact that I have more options after medical school than chiropractic school. What else can you do with a DC except chiropractic work. When some medical school cost less than $4000 a semester and takes 3years (same as chiropractic school), why should I choose Chiropractic school?

As for Life University's issues a few years ago, there were personal issues b/w the Dean and someone on the accreditation board. Both were asked to step down and all alligation were unfounded. Some students that semester did leave b/c of the conflicts. I live 8 hours away from the nearest Chiropractic school, yet there are 3 chiroprators in my little town. I don't know how they make a living in this town, but all seem to be doing ok. I think there are starting to be more Chiropractors than before and too many in the same area could be a potiental problem in the near future.

So I heard both sides of the arguement. What should I choose?
Sounds like a cat fight! I'm in! I'm sure we might have better things to do than bash the other professions? It's fun but comon, don't they portray themselves as supremely bashable, lol.
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