I guess the online translator is not that bad after all.

One thing has bothered me since I read this thread, VMD, what has VMD really done?

There are no official reporters for VMD or officials of VMD posting a VMD "Investigation"

VMD is not here for that, it is here for open discussion of the schools.

This web site never claims to be made up of Facts but is has facts posted with user's opinion mixed in.

Can anyone tell me what is really happing at SC, Spartan, St. Mart, St. Eus., Xaviers, or most of the others? You can't by reading the forums, why? Because either students do not know about VMD, the schools have told them not to post or they read some of the posts here and are scared to post. Even my school SJSM there are hundreds of students but only I and a few post.

While XYZ From big 4 school has a valid opinion, they may have never set foot in a classroom at the other school, never even seen it or talked to a real person from there.

While real important issues such as CHarter, Lic and practice can be discussed ( I would never attend a school without a charter and at least IMED) without setting foot in the school other things are not as tangible.

Value MD can be a good resource if we keep in mind that it's really here for discussion and not to close down or get a school off the forums, if the school is wiped off the forums then others are at a great disadvantage when it comes to info about the school and the school will be the major source (We all do not want that right?)

VMD is worth a lot less IMO if students do not post.

Just observation and opinion.

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Value MD forum is principally a form of advertisement for the schools that use it. It is also a great source of information about the schools, especially if posters are honest and accurate in stating the FACTS, and sticking to the TRUTH

Unfortunately, in many schools there are too many cheerleaders promoting their schools, despite the ills of their schools. They do this with the mindset that the school is giving them an opportunity to take the USMLE, and so they must be grateful. That’s nonsense. Students must pay fees, study and pass exams. The schools have the responsibility to present the information and guidance necessary in proper amenities. Students should do what ever they can to force the school to up thier quality.

Man I have taught in some offshore bogus schools where the facilities and administration was worse that the local primary schools......... and far inferior to what you aMERICANS ARE ACUSTOMED TO. YET YOU STOMACH IT BECAUSE YOU SEEM WILLINGING TO LOSE YOUR SELF RESPECT TO GET A MEDICAL DEGREE!

When a student comes on the forum and tells the truth about the foibles and failures of their school, other school members castigate them. The result is that other students refuse to use the forum to express themselves. Consequently it is very true that VMD is worth a lot less when students do not post…… STUDENTS MUST POST THE TRUTH.

Cheerleaders and those who post lies do all a disservice. This refers to both prospective students and tutors. It is wicked and evil to attract others to your school when you know it is a poor school. You would not recommend that your friend go to a poor restaurant to buy a meal that costs much less than a med school education. So why would one cheerlead for CMU or SJMS? ……except that SJMS is cheap. But then it has been well said…. Good thing not cheap…. Cheap thing often not good.

I wish I knew of valueMD before I went to teach at the two bogus schools that I first taught at. These schools just don’t look good on my cv!

In 2004 there was a cheerleader for SJMS who had posted 400 times exalting the greatness of this school and the island BEFORE reaching BONAIRE. He lasted one semester before returning to the US.

There was another cheerleader who actually was found to be a cheat. There was yet another, who after having difficulty at SJMS, left and went across the street to the other place. He then PM’d me to ask me to post on the SJMS forum all the juicy truths about the mental condition of the dean at the time and of his great affinity for distilled cane juice! You see his agenda had changed. For the average student, once their needs are served they just don’t care!

No one has said that a school’s info be wiped off the forums because as was pointed out then others are at a great disadvantage when it comes to info about the school. We all want to know the truth about bogus schools, so that prospective students and tutors be warned.

But we do need that bogus schools be closed! What we need is not 30-40 bogus med schools but 8-10 St Georges! We need a real serious medical council in the Carribbean- not just the one formed apparently to accredit UWI.


For those who attend(ed) proper medical schools, all these bogus schools in the Caribbean are an abomination, and a watering down of the profession. We need QUALITY NOT QUANTITY.

Re Can anyone tell me what is really happing at SC, Spartan, St. Mart, St. Eus., Xaviers, or most of the others? You can't by reading the forums, why? Because either students do not know about VMD, the schools have told them not to post or they read some of the posts here and are scared to post. Even my school SJSM there are hundreds of students but only I and a few post.


Few students might post, but many many more persons read the forum than you think. Many posters read and some decide this chap seems to be knowledgeable and fair…….then they PM and ask you for advice and direction. You might be surprised the influence that some of us weild!

It's not just fear of other school members castigating them. Take MUA Belize for example, where the Dean is widely reputed to be extremely vindictive. The students could not post the truth because of the repercussions it would have on transcripts: the only obvious option was to stop posting altogether. The silence has been deafening for quite some time - not much of a surprise these days, given the number of students remaining - but what students will not say in support of the school is equally important as what they do say.

vmd should not be used as a source for a news article! as much as many things we see and post about CMU on here as hear say and observations tgheyu could ALL BE WRONG. for all we know RL could be saying the truth and could have been promised the charter on the dates he said...we jump all over it and the school for what we perceive to be legitimate things like the copying of the sgu website and basically misleading students by placing things on the website that aren;t tehre like ecgmg, imed etc but what if he hired a cheap web development company and they copied the sgu site? what if the givt kleeps changing their dates?

as of right now my opinion from the "evidence" and that is loosely used on these fora is that the school should be avoived and is probably not a viable school however my opinion is worth as much as 1 EC in the US and does not matter. a proper news article would have looked into these things rather than just regurgitating a public internet forum. the article is by any standard junk

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If RL did hire a cheap IT group it really just shows laziness on the part of CMU that they didn't double check the work to make sure it was their material they had originally written and not a completely different text. Not to mention, they should have combed through the website immediately as opposed to changing text on the fly MONTHS later.

If it were entirely the governments fault, there should be no grand announcements until they have it in hand.

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vmd is like wikipedia. its not a source to quote. It can be a source of information and inspiration that spurs you to seek primary sources however.

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If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

Hello,

Today a new episode in the news paper.
And it gets funnier ...
According to RL previous employer, (that gave documents to the newspaper),
I quote:" RL was a bricklayer from Chicago, he tried to rip off the Amercican Department of employment security and misused the data from St James and cooperated at embazzlement of 30.000$."

Just read the amigoe english edition tomorrow for the whole new episode of the CMU-soap ....

RL, I am not bashing, insulting, just quoting ...

the problem is, this newspaper has journalism skills found in the national enquirer and star magazine. its basically just a gossip column. you would think that they would at least do a background check to confirm any of the stuff, but then again, that doesnt sell tabloids.

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They state that they quoted valuemd on the first part, but that they tried (not on Saturday) to call all the numbers ... nobody was home @ CMU.
What they wrote, they seem to have gotten proof from a previous employer of RL, so there will be no rectification. They can publish a counter, but there will be no rectification after RL's laywer contacted them.
Just wait for the article in English ...