Originally Posted by studentdoctobe

You have taken my words out of context and ended up CONFUSING YOURSELF COMPLETELY.

Try reading my post again and see if it will make sense a second time around. The part where I said, NONE OF YOU HERE ARE EITHER A DOCTOR OR LAWYER OR NONE, NOT BOTH.

Leave the Harvard guy and others out of it, YOU are not both a lawyer and a doctor, so.

You are the one that bear the marks of a lawsuit, how smart does that make you.

Just try not to get caught in THIS ONE AGAIN, at the rate you are going!

Out!

Originally Posted by teratos

I think some people get involved in this debate because they enjoy the argument, and some get involved because they truly feel CMU is a scam, and even 1 student who gets duped is too many.

I don't know about the facts behind a lot of what DRU posted. What I do know is that CMU doesn't have a charter, and without that they cannot provide a medical education. Since they are accepting money from people with the understanding that said people will be able to practice medicine in the US, and so far there is no evidence that the school has the ability to provide that, isn't that fraud? I think it is.

Max, maybe you can set me straight on this, but it seems the facts point to this "school" being unable to deliver on its promises. As such, isn't it reasonable to call it a fraud? It has neither a charter, nor an IMED listing. The prerequisites for granting an MD. All RL can do is post ad hominem attacks.... If the main points of Dru's arguments are verifiable, and they are by RL's own posts, can some of the finer points be grounds for a suit???

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Originally Posted by rokshana

talk about beating a dead horse....

Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian

We have discussed the Dru's remarks. Check the replies to it by Diogenes, eastern2western and myself. They are pretty clear. For starters Dru blew the whole charter fee out of proportions with apparent sensationalist reasons, notice I say apparent. Dru obviously mis-read the whole business proposal, thought and considered it a fee and voila, posted it as a fact, it is pointed out to him that he has made a mistake in his interpretation, yet he posted is as a fact,which is as bad as RL and his inane arguments. If it would have been RL, well, we have an entire forum that is self explanatory on what would have happened. Two wrongs wont make one right Teratos. Not even if another Moderator is involved.

One thing is undeniable and simple to verify....WE ALL agree CMU lacks a charter and license, now the tricky part of it will be what will constitute specific intent to commit fraud or not. What will happen, hypothetically speaking if a charter is produced? A government official has already said that they are in the process of getting it. Can we agree to that? Or our blind anger towards CMU is not letting us see that? There is a possibility there. What will be the new allegations against CMU if they get a charter?

I am sorry, but I do not see this as one of those Nigerian Oil scam emails, this situation apparently is more complex than that because at first sight it look to me that RL is simply incompetent, immature, didn't knew what he was walking into (and still doesn't), went ahead with the idea, assumed way too many things and took his assumptions as facts. If anyone can point at his specific intent and conspiracy to commit fraud I will be the first one to compliment it. You want to say that, fine go ahead and say it. I won't. I want to see what happens with the dang charter thing before jumping into conclusions.

To answer your question..."t seems the facts point to this "school" being unable to deliver on its promises. As such, isn't it reasonable to call it a fraud?" By definition yes, however I have to ask : are we seeing A promise of future performance made with an intent, at the time the promise was made, not to perform as promised; do we know to a certainty that CMU and RL do not INTENT to deliver on their promise? Thats is what holds me back Teratos.

What should have been done is very simple: Clear all the red tape THEN, only then open the school. But that did not happened and irreparable damage has been done.

Max

Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian

We have discussed the Dru's remarks. Check the replies to it by Diogenes, eastern2western and myself. They are pretty clear. For starters Dru blew the whole charter fee out of proportions with apparent sensationalist reasons, notice I say apparent. Dru obviously mis-read the whole business proposal, thought and considered it a fee and voila, posted it as a fact, it is pointed out to him that he has made a mistake in his interpretation, yet he posted is as a fact,which made him look as bad and ignorant as RL and his insane arguments. Two wrongs wont make one right Teratos. Not even if another Moderator is involved.

One thing is undeniable and simple to verify....WE ALL agree CMU lacks a charter and license, now the tricky part of it will be what will constitute specific intent to commit fraud or not. What will happen, hypothetically speaking if a charter is produced? A government official has already said that they are in the process of getting it. Can we agree to that? Or our blind anger towards CMU is not letting us see that? There is a possibility there. What will be the new allegations against CMU if they get a charter?

I am sorry, but I do not see this as one of those Nigerian Oil scam emails, this situation apparently is more complex than that because at first sight it look to me that RL is simply incompetent, immature, didn't knew what he was walking into (and still doesn't), went ahead with the idea, assumed way too many things and took his assumptions as facts. If anyone can point at his specific intent and conspiracy to commit fraud I will be the first one to compliment it. You want to say that, fine go ahead and say it. I won't. I want to see what happens with the dang charter thing before jumping into conclusions.

To answer your question..."t seems the facts point to this "school" being unable to deliver on its promises. As such, isn't it reasonable to call it a fraud?" By definition yes, however I have to ask : are we seeing A promise of future performance made with an intent, at the time the promise was made, not to perform as promised; do we know to a certainty that CMU and RL do not INTENT to deliver on their promise? Thats is what holds me back Teratos, that is the question that bothers deep in my mind.

Your other question..." can some of the finer points be grounds for a suit???" I would be very careful with the "they have criminally taken money from students" Very serious accusation that, if the charter is ever granted will be good ammunition for a potential lawsuit based on defamation which is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.

Remember Delphi School of medicine? Some people, myself included were forced by VMD administration to modify similar comments because they (Delphi) threatened with legal action.

What should have been done is very simple: Clear all the red tape THEN, only then open the school. But that did not happened and irreparable damage has been done.

Good night to all!

Max

Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian

We have discussed the Dru's remarks. Check the replies to it by Diogenes, eastern2western and myself. They are pretty clear. For starters Dru blew the whole charter fee out of proportions with apparent sensationalist reasons, notice I say apparent. Dru obviously mis-read the whole business proposal, thought and considered it a fee and voila, posted it as a fact, it is pointed out to him that he has made a mistake in his interpretation, yet he posted is as a fact,which made him look as bad and ignorant as RL and his insane arguments. Two wrongs wont make one right Teratos. Not even if another Moderator is involved.

One thing is undeniable and simple to verify....WE ALL agree CMU lacks a charter and license, now the tricky part of it will be what will constitute specific intent to commit fraud or not. What will happen, hypothetically speaking if a charter is produced? A government official has already said that they are in the process of getting it. Can we agree to that? Or our blind anger towards CMU is not letting us see that? There is a possibility there. What will be the new allegations against CMU if they get a charter?

I am sorry, but I do not see this as one of those Nigerian Oil scam emails, this situation apparently is more complex than that because at first sight it look to me that RL is simply incompetent, immature, didn't knew what he was walking into (and still doesn't), went ahead with the idea, assumed way too many things and took his assumptions as facts. If anyone can point at his specific intent and conspiracy to commit fraud I will be the first one to compliment it. You want to say that, fine go ahead and say it. I won't. I want to see what happens with the dang charter thing before jumping into conclusions.

To answer your question..."t seems the facts point to this "school" being unable to deliver on its promises. As such, isn't it reasonable to call it a fraud?" By definition yes, however I have to ask : are we seeing A promise of future performance made with an intent, at the time the promise was made, not to perform as promised; do we know to a certainty that CMU and RL do not INTENT to deliver on their promise? Thats is what holds me back Teratos, that is the question that bothers deep in my mind.

Your other question..." can some of the finer points be grounds for a suit???" I would be very careful with the "they have criminally taken money from students" Very serious accusation that, if the charter is ever granted will be good ammunition for a potential lawsuit based on defamation which is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.

Remember Delphi School of medicine? Some people, myself included were forced by VMD administration to modify similar comments because they (Delphi) threatened with legal action.

What should have been done is very simple: Clear all the red tape THEN, only then open the school. But that did not happened and irreparable damage has been done.

Good night to all!

Max

Originally Posted by Maxinne

You try too hard you and apparently did not learn from your experiences.