Charter Issues - Page 4

Genossa maximillian · #31 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 12:27 PM

Now that you mention it, yes the basic sciences internet schools are still around and have had their fair share of ripping, check the IUHS forum alone, wow! The HUGE difference though, is that they have charters, the core issue with CMU. That many people thought they could bring them down ripping them in the forum, no, it has not happened.

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Originally Posted by MYMD

I have a lot of open questions as well, since they have 3 schools now on different islands the Charter issue has never been really clear, yet not one of these posters seem to be on the X forum ripping into the inconsistencies there,

There are numerous other schools, I think the Big reason there are these people are two fold

One, RL answering
Two, some may not be who the seem to be.

No defense of CMU of course, they should be scrutinized as any other school. But it does seem to be a crusade going on, and there will be students attending this school while it is in existence, I see the internet Basic Sci schools are still open and running normal too........

Genossa maximillian · #32 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 12:39 PM

The comparison I am making is if the internet would have been around at this same level back in 1978 what fair chances the Big 3 would have had to survive with the intensity of attacks new schools must endure today. My point is, it would have been the same, may they would not even made it at this level of attacks (notice I said maybe). What we see is people ripping these folks constantly over and over the same thing. I have suggested to wait and see if the charter is produced. My suggestions on legal options should be considered to those who think or believe have been agravated by CMU opening a school and believe or think they are a fraud (they might be or not, at prima facie, you can't tell, I can't tell, how can you say it's a scam, any hard hitting evidence? because that my friend is a serious accusation) take it the appropiate channels. I don't believe there is anything wrong with suggesting that to the same degree you don't believe that there is anything wrong in constantly ripping them.

One thing is sure I won't convince you of my methods you won't convince me of yours.

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Originally Posted by studentdoctobe

Well actually how long did it take you yesterday to resort to gambling propositions, did you really think that was mature?.

It is what it is, it does not take much to tell a scam when you see one, and just by pointing it out does not mean that anyone is out to get anyone.

Let me understand your "take them to court comment".
Are you proposing that students here spend their own valuable time and money running around from one court room to another with someone who has shown to be as elusive as they want to be, that right there just shows that you do not fully understand what VMD is all about.

This is not a place to originate court cases from, RL showed up here to showcase CMU to the world, and this being a forum, we looked, we saw, we commented, that is what a forum is about.

I'm sure there is a time and place for legal steps, just as students of st. Chris have shown, many of them have taken the legal route and for CMU, who knows, all it takes is one or two students who have lost money and time to be motivated enough to go to court, time will tell.

I have one question for you (and as you would say "HOSS"), in ALL your time here, and I quote you as saying "I am old enough (older than most hot shots that post in these forums) to remember when the big 3 opened back in 1978." and all the changes you MUST have witnessed, it would really help to draw our attention to any court cases involving all these schools that started way back and all the scrutiny they went through especially any case that YOU POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTED TO THE RESOLUTION THAT FOLLOWED.

I don't even understand the comparison between what happened in 1978 and what is happening in 2007.

For obvious reasons, anyone should know that they cannot realistically expect to get away with anything today that someone else might have gotten away with in 1978. And that cuts across the board with ANYTHING.

Genossa maximillian · #33 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 12:53 PM

Good point, however, they are bound by the rules , laws and governing body of Curacao. Why did Curacao allowed them to begin operations without a charter? It sounds to me more like there was loophole and they took advantage of it, if their laws allowed it, no harms done in Curacao, and strictly from a Cuaracao point of view. Now whatever rules, laws etc. they may not be in complaince with in the U.S. , that is another story,and much more complex issue. That normally comes to bite you at licensing time, and you figure out you can't get licensed. You say this is the U.S. and won't fly...I heard that with IUHS and they are still around and a few of their grads are already licensed in the U.S., I would not hold my breathe to that thought. There is always a possibility in the great land of opportunities

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Originally Posted by studentdoctobe

My bigest irk with this whole CMU stuff is the sheer lack of regard for the LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS of the governing body of the practice of MEDICINE IN THE US, by one or a set of individuals who feel that they could be so above scrutiny that they can basically serve up anything on a public forum and demand that readers accept it, and when challenged they get defensive rather than presenting facts to quiet the challengers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong about WAITING till you have all your ducks in a row before startng a MEDICAL school.

In addition to that, a preference to just run their game, however shady it may appear, and be completely evasive to serious and critical issues surrounding their practices, while all this time targeting naive and desperate students who really must not have other options or may be more trusting of the whole "we will have it tomorrow" game.

This is the US and this is 2007, and IT WILL NOT FLY.

MYMD · #34 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian

Good point, however, they are bound by the rules , laws and governing body of Curacao. Why did Curacao allowed them to begin operations without a charter? It sounds to me more like there was loophole and they took advantage of it, if their laws allowed it, no harms done in Curacao, and strictly from a Cuaracao point of view. Now whatever rules, laws etc. they may not be in complaince with in the U.S. , that is another story,and much more complex issue. That normally comes to bite you at licensing time, and you figure out you can't get licensed. You say this is the U.S. and won't fly...I heard that with IUHS and they are still around and a few of their grads are already licensed in the U.S., I would not hold my breathe to that thought. There is always a possibility in the great land of opportunities

Well Loopholes, we all know what happened to SC and loopholes............The more these loopholes get exposed the more they are closed it seems.

Even the Grandfather clause for Student loans, if the Big 3 could get 60% of the natives to attend then it would not be a problem but You and I know that clause was directed to any of these schools, to close the door on schools aimed at American students and operate outside of the USA................ IMO a very unfair rule too.

Genossa maximillian · #35 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 01:07 PM

I agree. From a business perspective, someone may use any available loophole to start operations and might be legally entitled to do so. Now, is it in the best interest of their customers? NOT necessarily as the St. Chris case taught us. Good point.

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Originally Posted by MYMD

Well Loopholes, we all know what happened to SC and loopholes............

Genossa maximillian · #36 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 01:16 PM

That was a big stinker and bummer, the Student Loan grandfather clause, granted some schools didn't deserve it but there was a system implemented to deal with cheating schools. Speaking of loopholes, how about the CAAM, they grant temporary accrediation to a school that is yet to be opened in Montserrat, the school does not even have a charter from Montserrat yet, not evena tent, it is not IMED listed and to the school that is operating at a small scale, and has IMED listed and a charter they did not wanted to grant temporary accrediation "AT THIS TIME" and made them appeal the decision. How about that for loopholes and weird things?

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Originally Posted by MYMD

Well Loopholes, we all know what happened to SC and loopholes............The more these loopholes get exposed the more they are closed it seems.

Even the Grandfather clause for Student loans, if the Big 3 could get 60% of the natives to attend then it would not be a problem but You and I know that clause was directed to any of these schools, to close the door on schools aimed at American students and operate outside of the USA................ IMO a very unfair rule too.

MYMD · #37 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian

That was a big stinker and bummer, the Student Loan grandfather clause, granted some schools didn't deserve it but there was a system implemented to deal with cheating schools. Speaking of loopholes, how about the CAAM, they grant temporary accrediation to a school that is yet to be opened in Montserrat, the school does not even have a charter from Montserrat yet, not evena tent, it is not IMED listed and to the school that is operating at a small scale, and has IMED listed and a charter they did not wanted to grant temporary accrediation "AT THIS TIME" and made them appeal the decision. How about that for loopholes and weird things?

Yes I agree

I really disagree with the Feds and the Student loans, I think it should be like in CANADA, something they do right LOL

(heck in some circular way it's "OUR MONEY" the feds keep from us at these schools)

dt · #38 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rlewkowski

CMU has nothing to discuss in this or any public forum and all inquiries pertaining CMU and it's operational-governmental issues should be addressed to CMU's legal counsel and they will attend your inquiry in due time.

Please provide more info on your legal counsel.

Is it in Curacao?

What is the contact info? A website perhaps? A link?

Scott1981 · #39 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dt

Please provide more info on your legal counsel.

Is it in Curacao?

What is the contact info? A website perhaps? A link?

i give you credit for trying

studentdoctobe · #40 (**permalink**) 09-05-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Genossa maximillian

The comparison I am making is if the internet would have been around at this same level back in 1978 what fair chances the Big 3 would have had to survive with the intensity of attacks new schools must endure today. My point is, it would have been the same, may they would not even made it at this level of attacks (notice I said maybe). What we see is people ripping these folks constantly over and over the same thing. I have suggested to wait and see if the charter is produced. My suggestions on legal options should be considered to those who think or believe have been agravated by CMU opening a school and believe or think they are a fraud (they might be or not, at prima facie, you can't tell, I can't tell, how can you say it's a scam, any hard hitting evidence? because that my friend is a serious accusation) take it the appropiate channels. I don't believe there is anything wrong with suggesting that to the same degree you don't believe that there is anything wrong in constantly ripping them.

One thing is sure Hoss (character from the TV series Bonanza, used in some parts of Texas in lieu of buddy) I won't convince you of my methods you won't convince me of yours.

Just so we are clear on one thing, you can either address me with my name or initials, IT IS NOT OK BY ME FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH WHATEVER NAME YOU WANT FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES, I CAN THINK OF A NAME OR TWO FOR YOU AS WELL, BUT BECAUSE OF TOS WE ALL CHOOSE NOT TO CALL NAMES, SO LET'S KEEP IT ON THE REAL NAME BASIS ONLY!!!

ANY FURTHER REFERENCE TO ME WITH ANY NAME OTHER THAN MY NAME OR INITIALS WILL BE VIEWED AS AN INSULT.
AFTERALL WE ARE NOT BUDDIES NOW ARE WE?

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