I think the inconsistencies here are too obvious and that may be why more people are here.

For example, the main reason given for the delay was that the monopoly of medical education in Curacao had to be broken. This means to me that St. Martinus was the only school on the island that had the right to provide medical education.

However CMU's RL also claim that CIU can provide the medical education. If CIU were also given the right to provide medical education, then was there really a monopoly as claimed?

This past Tuesday, Sept 4th, was the day the president of CMU said he would show us the permit (or charter, or some document) that allowed CIU (and thus CMU) to provide medical education. Did that happen? No. I didnt see anything.


Another example is the August 10th deadline (seen in another thread).

Other examples include claims of clinical sites that are inconsistent or non-existent, and plagarizing of other schools' website.



So, what does this type of behaviour of CMU tell people?

Well actually how long did it take you yesterday to resort to gambling propositions, did you really think that was mature?.


It is what it is, it does not take much to tell a scam when you see one, and just by pointing it out does not mean that anyone is out to get anyone.

Let me understand your "take them to court comment".
Are you proposing that students here spend their own valuable time and money running around from one court room to another with someone who has shown to be as elusive as they want to be, that right there just shows that you do not fully understand what VMD is all about.

This is not a place to originate court cases from, RL showed up here to showcase CMU to the world, and this being a forum, we looked, we saw, we commented, that is what a forum is about.

I'm sure there is a time and place for legal steps, just as students of st. Chris have shown, many of them have taken the legal route and for CMU, who knows, all it takes is one or two students who have lost money and time to be motivated enough to go to court, time will tell.

I have one question for you (and as you would say "HOSS"), in ALL your time here, and I quote you as saying "I am old enough (older than most hot shots that post in these forums) to remember when the big 3 opened back in 1978." and all the changes you MUST have witnessed, it would really help to draw our attention to any court cases involving all these schools that started way back and all the scrutiny they went through especially any case that YOU POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTED TO THE RESOLUTION THAT FOLLOWED.

I don't even understand the comparison between what happened in 1978 and what is happening in 2007.

For obvious reasons, anyone should know that they cannot realistically expect to get away with anything today that someone else might have gotten away with in 1978. And that cuts across the board with ANYTHING.

Yup, times, they are a'changing...

well, personally i would not set foot near xavier either.

however, i should point out that they have separate imed listings for bonaire and aruba. that is more than cmu has to show.

the school in panama is "claiming" to have an affiliation with a domicile panama med school that is located in imed. too much uncertainty and we dont have written documentation of this affiliation. the one thing that brings this third school over cmu is that they are at least claiming affiliation to a fully functional medical school.

i know xavier had problems in the past with their charter. i also remember reading a lot of scrutiny on their website back in the day. however, all three branches still have more to show than cmu even though i would never recommend anyone to attend any of them.

ps- cmu is not alone with the scrutiny. i just checked out MUA-belize forum and they have their share of vmd investigating going on.

as far as some of us being "agents" of other schools. that is possible for the newly created accounts that make one or two posts.

however, the vast majority of us are not agents and its pretty clear what we do. there is no misrepresentation with myself, teratos, soe, stephew, finishingfifth, rok, emt, dru, sree, shikima, emt, aucmd, img survivor, anencephalic, docplucinski, etc (im sure im missing some).

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PGY-1 in July 2008

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Yea I was not singling any one person, I read this forum for updates on the new school, I do think SCRUTINY is good we learn from it and schools like SJSM and Xavier have shown to have many problems but they have charters too.

Even Windsor has one.

It is a valid point and a school has to be listed with IMED for US practice.

And the ones you listed, I have read their posts for years I almost feel I know them LOL

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Now that's a zinger...

i completely agree

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My bigest irk with this whole CMU stuff is the sheer lack of regard for the LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS of the governing body of the practice of MEDICINE IN THE US, by one or a set of individuals who feel that they could be so above scrutiny that they can basically serve up anything on a public forum and demand that readers accept it, and when challenged they get defensive rather than presenting facts to quiet the challengers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong about WAITING till you have all your ducks in a row before startng a MEDICAL school.

In addition to that, a preference to just run their game, however shady it may appear, and be completely evasive to serious and critical issues surrounding their practices, while all this time targeting naive and desperate students who really must not have other options or may be more trusting of the whole "we will have it tomorrow" game.

This is the US and this is 2007, and IT WILL NOT FLY.

this is interesting. what do the following CARIBBEAN schools have in common?

seoul central college of medicine (monsteratt)
university of science arts and technology (monsteratt)
kingstown medical college (st vincent)
university of west indies cave hill barbados (barbados)
milik university (st kitts)
st theresas (st kitts)
grace university (st kitts)
windsor univerity (st kitts)
IUHS (st kitts)***internet school***
UHSA (antigua) *** same as above***
st marys (st lucia)
college of medicine and health sciences (st lucia)
american global university (belize)
mua-belize (belize)
central american health sciences university (belize)
grace university (belize)
hope university (belize)
intraamerican university (belize)
st lukes university (belize)

answer...... they all are listed in IMED of course

now some of these are defunct, but they were still listed so they had charters (whether they bought them or not )

here is the kicker..... st matthews is listed for both belize and grand caymen. i know they moved from belize originally.... but heck...... they didnt have a problem getting listed in IMED for a second time .

man, i school must really not have their stuff in order to not get IMED listing. i havent even heard of half of those schools listed and they are one step ahead of CMU.

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Oh my look at how many are on Kitts and Belize! Oh MY some are known as the ones NOT TO ATTEND for sure, even with the charter.

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