Cmon now guys cut him some slack, do you guys have any idea how unappealing Mr. L's institution would be if he didn't stretch the truth just a bit???

Also, Mr. L do you mind posting the letters from the hospitals that have discontinued affiliations with you due to too many prospective students calling?

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having gone through the recent process of getting an affiliation with a hospital in florida, i can with untmost certainty say that cmu DOES NOT have a affiliation with any of the 3 hospitals in miami with acgme residencies in core rotations specialties.

RL, the state of florida recently made it required that any rotation done in a florida hospital by a foreign school student has to provide froof of a hospital affiliation with their school. this is for cores and electives.

this was a rule that was always in place, but in the past (a year ago), the state took the hospital's word for it. the state did a audit and realized that they were getting duped, so they threatened all the hospitals that their will be no longer any exceptions and wants a copy of the affiliation with each student that walks through their doors regardless of how many other students from the same school just rotated there. they want redundancy.

so, in my quest to try to speed the process up for auc, i was frantically calling every hospital in the state with acgme rotations in electives and cores. i was about to be a fourth year student and was counting on returning to florida for electives.

i first contacted mount sinai, who originally was receptive to me a few months earlier before florida took this new hardcore stance. they quickly told me that although they had good experiences with students from ross and auc in the past, their hands are tied due to their legal department not wanting to sign another contract with any foreign schools. they stated that they already have too many affiliations with florida stateside schools and couldnt be obligated to save space for any foreign schools.

next i contacted jackson memorial. the lady at the education department at first didnt seem like she was well versed in the new stance by the state of florida. however, she did state that they WIILL NOT except any student whose school that is not on the florida department of independent medical education for any rotation. she said that she would get back to me. when she did, she was suddenly informed of the new rules and stated that the hospital is currently the main teaching site for UM and it CANNOT sign any more affiliations, even ones with US schools.

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so, the last hospital with acgme rotations in the city of miami was miami childrens. it was not the easiest hospital to get a hold of their education dept. the lady first asked me to make sure that i was from one of the 5 schools that florida excepts. when i said yes, she transferred me to another office. the next office said that due to recent changes in tallahassee, they cannot accept any student without an affiliation, and they only do affiliations with US schools.

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now, having gone through the florida guidelines, a student from a non approved medical school can do an "occasional" rotation (no more than 2 or 3, dont remember) in florida. however, i have gone through this song and dance with EVERY hospital in the state with acgme rotations and all of them required you to be on that list. so even though the state officially doesnt require schools to be on the list, every hospital wants you to be on it to even talk to you.

these are my experience with the miami hospitals. auc was able to secure rotations in some other florida cites, but miami seems to have shut the door on everyone after these new developments. ft lauderdale looks promising, an have been active in getting information from their medical education office. there are currently 5 schools with pending applications for an affiliation agreement. the five whose applications made the first cut and are in the legal department just happen to be the five that are approved by the state of florida.

RL, even though you have not provided a list of hospitals, due to my recent and current "adventure" in the state of florida, i can flat out say that cmu DOES NOT have any hospital affiliation in miami or the whole state for that matter in ANY hospital that is ACGME approved.

would you like to make an addendum or update your list at this time? your reply would be greatly appreciated.

edit: RL, i didnt realize you were temporarily banned. when or if you do get reinstated, i would appreciate a response.

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Personally, Other then Marketing, why do these schools push so much? Look if XYZ state has this list or what ever then fine, there are so few states with this man, just pick a state that is friendly and move on, so many students are hung up on NY/Fl and Cali, man get into a US school if it's that important if not then lets go to a state that is OK with a Caribbean student.....My 2cents

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So you're saying it's ok to lie?

Heck NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

I'm saying if a school needs rotation sites then go to a Friendly state and get them, in "Pick" I meant for students, too many want to force a state to let them rotate, yea these states will tell them to sit and......

A school that has a rotation site HAS A CONTRACT to do so, not some promise, signed paper is KING!

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Oh a thought............ after reading (Mostly during study breaks ) I think I understand some of where RL is coming from he thinks ( I may be wrong) that words/promises/disscussions/ and so on are the same as SIGNED AGREEMENTS/CHARTER/CONTRACTS/COMPLETED Recognition-Listing and so on.... I do not think he understands many on here are posting that unwritten, unlisted and so on means that CMU does not have these things yet.

At least this is my take on all this mess.

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