Time will show who was right

rlewkowski · #1 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:05 AM

I was advised by the students, staff, teachers not to spend to much time on VMD, since its pointless. Now I see they are right.
I have explained numerous times:
1. CMU doesn’t need the IMED listing until we certify students for USMLE, which was proved in the previous posts
2. The charter of CIU is good enough to provide medical education on the island and to issue MD degrees /if you don’t believe, check with the Ministry of Education/
3. Our charter will be issued by the end of the month, so finally all of those "valuable" posters /students and agents of other schools/ will finally go away.
4. There is no need to postpone any semesters, since CMU is totally legal on the island of Curacao /if you don’t believe, please check with the Government of Curacao/
5. CMU foundation guarantees the MedLoan so we are absolutely sure that our students will become qualified physicians, otherwise they won’t be able to repay the loan.
6. I won’t reply to any other posts regarding charter and IMED, its just worthless. You'll see the results soon.
7. I have more important things to do that reply over and over again to the same black PR. I’m still available to answer all genuine questions.

CMU will stay and provide valuable education services if you like it or not, therefore I think you shouldn't waist your time bashing the school and rather hit the books.

emt036 · #2 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rlewkowski

1. CMU doesn’t need the IMED listing until we certify students for USMLE, which was proved in the previous posts

Assuming that IMED retrodates the dates of instruction. If your charter is dated August/September 2007 (assuming that it is issued), then what does that mean for students currently enrolled?

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2. The charter of CIU is good enough to provide medical education on the island and to issue MD degrees /if you don’t believe, check with the Ministry of Education/
3. Our charter will be issued by the end of the month, so finally all of those "valuable" posters /students and agents of other schools/ will finally go away.

These two statements contradict each other. Your charter is good enough, even though it hasn't been issued yet? And no conspiracy theories here - no agents from other schools, just students trying to prevent gullible/desperate medical students from going to a school where they will be ineligible from becoming a doctor.

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4. There is no need to postpone any semesters, since CMU is totally legal on the island of Curacao /if you don’t believe, please check with the Government of Curacao/

Once again this is claimed without any objective evidence to back it up.

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5. CMU foundation guarantees the MedLoan so we are absolutely sure that our students will become qualified physicians, otherwise they won’t be able to repay the loan.

The school has to loan money to its own students because no one else will loan money to such a high-risk/unaccredited school.

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6. I won’t reply to any other posts regarding charter and IMED, its just worthless. You'll see the results soon.

Why not? They are central to any student wishing to become a licensed physician, rather than having a worthless piece of paper. Again, "results soon" is an empty promise. Why doesn't the school have a charter and is IMED-listed before classes began, as is claimed (rather fraudulently) on the schools website?

teratos · #3 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:27 AM

I worry about statements like the charter of CIU is "good enough". It matters not what Curacao thinks, in the long run, what the licensing boards think is more important. Proof is going to take some time.

When you guys come out as aggressively as you did, with videos, multiple sunny posts, you have to expect scrutiny. We'll see what happens....

dt · #4 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rlewkowski

I was advised by the students, staff, teachers not to spend to much time on VMD, since its pointless. Now I see they are right.
I have explained numerous times:
1. CMU doesn’t need the IMED listing until we certify students for USMLE, which was proved in the previous posts
2. The charter of CIU is good enough to provide medical education on the island and to issue MD degrees /if you don’t believe, check with the Ministry of Education/
3. Our charter will be issued by the end of the month, so finally all of those "valuable" posters /students and agents of other schools/ will finally go away.
4. There is no need to postpone any semesters, since CMU is totally legal on the island of Curacao /if you don’t believe, please check with the Government of Curacao/
5. CMU foundation guarantees the MedLoan so we are absolutely sure that our students will become qualified physicians, otherwise they won’t be able to repay the loan.
6. I won’t reply to any other posts regarding charter and IMED, its just worthless. You'll see the results soon.
7. I have more important things to do that reply over and over again to the same black PR. I’m still available to answer all genuine questions.

CMU will stay and provide valuable education services if you like it or not, therefore I think you shouldn't waist your time bashing the school and rather hit the books.

# 1 does not address licensing issues in Canada and USA. Will the States and Provinces recognize the portion of medical education undertaken before the school was given the right to grant medical degree? That's a risky call for anyone to take.

# 2 contradicts what you said eariler about the monopoly of medical education in Curacao. The reason you gave was that St. Martinus had the monopoly on medical education till 2008. Well, if CIU can also grant MD degree, then St. Martinus did not have a monopoly.

Besides, if CIU has the charter to provide MD degree, why would they affiliate with you? Why would they allow you to use their facilities and compete with them?

Or, why then do you need to get your own charter if CIU's is good enough right now?

Suggestion: I think your spin is getting out of control. You'll probably need to get a good marketing agency to spin this better for you.

studentdoctobe · #5 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rlewkowski

I was advised by the students, staff, teachers not to spend to much time on VMD, since its pointless. Now I see they are right.
I have explained numerous times:
1. CMU doesn’t need the IMED listing until we certify students for USMLE, which was proved in the previous posts
2. The charter of CIU is good enough to provide medical education on the island and to issue MD degrees /if you don’t believe, check with the Ministry of Education/
3. Our charter will be issued by the end of the month, so finally all of those "valuable" posters /students and agents of other schools/ will finally go away.
4. There is no need to postpone any semesters, since CMU is totally legal on the island of Curacao /if you don’t believe, please check with the Government of Curacao/
5. CMU foundation guarantees the MedLoan so we are absolutely sure that our students will become qualified physicians, otherwise they won’t be able to repay the loan.
6. I won’t reply to any other posts regarding charter and IMED, its just worthless. You'll see the results soon.
7. I have more important things to do that reply over and over again to the same black PR. I’m still available to answer all genuine questions.

CMU will stay and provide valuable education services if you like it or not, therefore I think you shouldn't waist your time bashing the school and rather hit the books.

Here we go again,

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CMU doesn’t need the IMED listing until we certify students for USMLE, which was proved in the previous posts

You really are a piece of work.

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3. Our charter will be issued by the end of the month, so finally all of those "valuable" posters /students and agents of other schools/ will finally go away.

Is it me or has the date changed ONCE AGAIN

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4. There is no need to postpone any semesters, since CMU is totally legal on the island of Curacao /if you don’t believe, please check with the Government of Curacao/

With this mindset, no wonder you don't even see the need to get accredited FIRST.

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5. CMU foundation guarantees the MedLoan so we are absolutely sure that our students will become qualified physicians, otherwise they won’t be able to repay the loan.

How many students have you currently loaned money to, TO DATE
According to your loan criteria, how many students do you think will be able to get loans from your medloan.
Forget about all that for a min, how many student will be registering for sept semester?

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7. I have more important things to do that reply over and over again to the same black PR. I’m still available to answer all genuine questions

Funny you have suddenly realized that, as you can tell the heat is on, and the pressure is on full force.

rlewkowski · #6 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:44 AM

"Assuming that IMED retrodates the dates of instruction. If your charter is dated August/September 2007 (assuming that it is issued), then what does that mean for students currently enrolled?"

Check with ECFMG when a school needs to be listed in IMED, since you are evidently missing that information.

Thats funny:
"The school has to loan money to its own students because no one else will loan money to such a high-risk/unaccredited school."
The Foundation only guarantees the loan, the loan found is from Europe. Again get more info before posting.

Out of about 30 medical schools in Caribbean only 4 have real accreditation. What you all are referring to /IMED/ is not an accreditation and schools that are listed can any date vanish from the directory if the Government stops recognizing them. No wonder why Sallie Mae and before KeyBank dropped all of them. They found them to risky. And following the problems other schools experience:
charging for transferring out /$4000/
problems getting transcripts,
grade reports and other documents,
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
holding loan disbursements,
not issuing tuition refund,
charges for dorms students never lived in,
treating students like slaves,
unqualified teachers,
Deans whose license was revoked,
sex harassment,
teachers & students being illegal on the island,
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
library with 0 medical books, etc.
they should have already done it or do it soon.

So your so called IMED “accreditation” is just an illusion.

MYMD · #7 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:53 AM

I beg to differ on Accreditation, really no one has it in the Caribbean, the only real one that counts in the USA is LCME.

ACCM is required by the US DOE, but I was unimpressed by them. It may be just fee and a "Stamp".

I think Cali is Joke IMO just a game they play.

LCME is the only one that seems to matter and none of these schools have it.

rlewkowski · #8 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 11:58 AM

That’s a good question

"# 1 does not address licensing issues in Canada and USA. Will the States and Provinces recognize the portion of medical education undertaken before the school was given the right to grant medical degree? That's a risky call for anyone to take."

CIU's charter was in 2001.

"# 2 contradicts what you said earlier about the monopoly of medical education in Curacao. The reason you gave was that St. Martinus had the monopoly on medical education till 2008. Well, if CIU can also grant MD degree, then St. Martinus did not have a monopoly."

The monopoly ended in 2005, and St. Martinus wanted to extend it for another 5 years. They were offered 2 years and insisted on 5.They didn’t got approval, but the situation had to be clarified.
CIU never intended to run a medical school, therefore they didn’t appeal the decision regarding the monopoly.

Besides, if CIU has the charter to provide MD degree, why would they affiliate with you? Why would they allow you to use their facilities and compete with them?
Because they focus on students from South America and don’t have affiliations with the hospitals in U.S.

Or, why then do you need to get your own charter if CIU's is good enough right now?
To avoid the confusion between CIU and CMU. We are planning to merge those 2 universities in the future.

Suggestion: I think your spin is getting out of control. You'll probably need to get a good marketing agency to spin this better for you.[/quote]

I think I answered the questions. If you need confirmation please contact the Department of Economics or the Government of Curacao.

Im happy to reply to this kind of questions. They should be asked and I'll be always willing to answer them.

rlewkowski · #9 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MYMD

LCME is the only one that seems to matter and none of these schools have it.

Because LCME doesn’t accredit foreign schools but recognizes accreditation from ACCM, which recently denied St. James.

rlewkowski · #10 (**permalink**) 08-23-2007, 12:03 PM

This is how ValueMD should be like. Get information, ask questions, discuss, not offend and bash.

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