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Old 08-21-2007, 11:16 PM
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Give it up!

If you have a conscience or want to speak to anything, speak to your deception, anything short of that is more jargon, and more hot air.
I have heard it all before!
If you have heard it all before, than what do you have against CMU?
Just because we are awaiting the listing in IMED, due to the fact that someone created a monopoly on the island, which was by the way against the Netherlands Antilles constitution.

None of our current students experienced those serious issues, that I mentioned before.
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:26 PM
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Dear Tony
Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.
  • charging for transferring out /$4000/
  • problems getting transcripts,
  • grade reports and other documents,
  • throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
  • holding loan disbursements,
  • not issuing tuition refund,
  • charges for dorms students never lived in,
  • treating students like slaves,
  • unqualified teachers,
  • Deans whose license was revoked,
  • sex harassment,
  • teachers & students being illegal on the island,
  • lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
  • library with 0 medical books, etc.
You can find it all on ValueMD.
I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.
In true RL colors it is easier to disctact by picking other issues when a direct issue is directed at you. You should know all these situation, no doubt you have been part of some, and considering your school is still new and so far you are starting off worse, with deception, one can only wait to count your own errors in the near future.
For one thing you need to be concerned about getting accredited, something that no mater how badly you paint other schools they still have that and you don't.
There are a lot of people new to the caribbean school arena, but thankfully few are gullible and naive enough to be registered at CMU.
You started at SJSM and it's doing well now, yes because you left no doubt, besides if it were that good you would still be there - operating.

Let's look at your points
charging for transferring out /$4000/ ~ I doubt you would charge less
problems getting transcripts, ~ I doubt you would be better
grade reports and other documents, ~ ditto
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can, ~You don't even have cadaver to begin with, also ditto
holding loan disbursements, You have not even issued any loans yet, aslo ditto
not issuing tuition refund, I doubt you would be differnt
charges for dorms students never lived in, Ditto
treating students like slaves, ~Ditto
unqualified teachers, ~Ditto
Deans whose license was revoked, ~Ditto
sex harassment, ~Ditto
teachers & students being illegal on the island, ~Ditto
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/, ~Ditto
library with 0 medical books, etc. ~Ditto
~As far as we all now these are your own words, wituout any proof can be assumed as your usual lies.

Te rest of your comments are as usual self serving, and purely evasive of the real issues.
It is obvious you will say just about anything, in response to anything, you have nothing else to do, so knock yourself, out as you do here daily.

~TI
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:31 PM
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Then I guess it must have been someone else that started a thread with obviously untrue personal attacks against another VMD member. Better get a stronger password, as apparently someone has broken into your account.
It really is amazing to watch. Whatever suits the occasion, apparently.
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:36 PM
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Let's look at your points
charging for transferring out /$4000/ ~ I doubt you would charge less
problems getting transcripts, ~ I doubt you would be better
grade reports and other documents, ~ ditto
throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can, ~You don't even have cadaver to begin with, also ditto
holding loan disbursements, You have not even issued any loans yet, aslo ditto
not issuing tuition refund, I doubt you would be differnt
charges for dorms students never lived in, Ditto
treating students like slaves, ~Ditto
unqualified teachers, ~Ditto
Deans whose license was revoked, ~Ditto
sex harassment, ~Ditto
teachers & students being illegal on the island, ~Ditto
lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/, ~Ditto
library with 0 medical books, etc. ~Ditto
As far as we all now these are your own words, dittos and doubts, wituout any proof can be assumed as your lies as well.
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Old 08-21-2007, 11:52 PM
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Dear Tony
Whatever your experience with CMU is so far, I feel sorry for it and apologize.
It’s obvious that you are very new to the Caribbean med schools, that why you feel so bad. Based on my 6 year experience in the field, I can tell you honestly that if you didn’t pick one of the big 4, as your med school, you will soon find out what the word "fraud" means. We have transfer student from other schools, which experienced it.
  • charging for transferring out /$4000/
  • problems getting transcripts,
  • grade reports and other documents,
  • throwing cadaver remains to a garbage can,
  • holding loan disbursements,
  • not issuing tuition refund,
  • charges for dorms students never lived in,
  • treating students like slaves,
  • unqualified teachers,
  • Deans whose license was revoked,
  • sex harassment,
  • teachers & students being illegal on the island,
  • lack of basic teaching materials /sometimes even cleaning supplies or toilet paper/,
  • library with 0 medical books, etc.
You can find it all on ValueMD.
I have to admit that out of 30 schools in the Caribbean there are few decent once, but only few. Hoverer their tuition is more than or about $10,000 per semester. I hope you got accepted to one of them. If not you should do your research.
CMU is not perfect but we all are trying hard from the beginning to make it better. You can get in touch with our current students and get their opinion. No one has experienced those problems here. Some left and are coming back now since they saw the difference. You should base your opinion not on ValueMD where we are constantly under attacks of other school's cheerleaders or agents. This is how hard it is to get through the first semester. When I started at St. James at its beginning we had much more problems and black PR as we have now at CMU. The school is doing fine now, so are the students.
So you are saying that schools not in the "big 4" are not reputable. Wow, SMU and AUA are going to love that. Your response to tony's experience essentially is "well, other schools have problems....so its ok if we are inept also". You claim you are trying to improve the school, but the most essential part of the medical school is missing - ethics. An unethical institution can not create good physicians. You do not have a charter, you are not in IMED, your students (as of this moment) may not apply for the match or take the USMLE. You have been overtly deceptive on this forum. Before you try to spin things or get off topic : the people on this forum are not agents for another school. They were here before CMU existed. They will likely be here long after CMU closes. There are no agents (stop with the paranoid delusions), simply students and physicians who are indicating your complete lack of integrity. Its kind of like tarasoff - we feel we have a duty to warn.
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:02 AM
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Oh dear

I did NOT think it COULD get any worse, but it just DID. Tony thank you so so much for sharing this interesting read. Where do I highlight, all of it?



This is hilarious
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Old 08-22-2007, 11:43 AM
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Hey All,

we all know CMU is trying to establish and all know how much time it takes to establish with accreditions. Its true that CMU admin made some mistakes by saying that they have all accredits, now they say they are trying. I do strongly believe that they are trying and confrimed it with the officials of gov of curacao. They are going to receive the charter shortly on CMU Name. Its true.

I request CMU admin to modify the comments on their web site stating that they are not approved and it is in final stage and they started the school with an affiliation to CIU and are getting the charter on their own . All accreditions will be updated as and when they are approved.

This will make every one to have a break and stop bouncing on RL.

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Old 08-22-2007, 11:55 AM
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Hey All,

we all know CMU is trying to establish and all know how much time it takes to establish with accreditions. Its true that CMU admin made some mistakes by saying that they have all accredits, now they say they are trying. I do strongly believe that they are trying and confrimed it with the officials of gov of curacao. They are going to receive the charter shortly on CMU Name. Its true.

I request CMU admin to modify the comments on their web site stating that they are not approved and it is in final stage and they started the school with an affiliation to CIU and are getting the charter on their own . All accreditions will be updated as and when they are approved.

This will make every one to have a break and stop bouncing on RL.
I wonder if they realize we can spot a school official masquerading as some one else? It really isnt that hard.
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:41 PM
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Hey Mr. finishingfifth,

Try to stop doubting everything. I am no way connected to the school. I am parent of a student and did some investigation after seeing all your posts with my own interest and I thought its better to post it here so that people like will you stop doubting each and everything.
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:18 PM
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Hey Mr. finishingfifth,

Try to stop doubting everything. I am no way connected to the school. I am parent of a student and did some investigation after seeing all your posts with my own interest and I thought its better to post it here so that people like will you stop doubting each and everything.
OK, I'll play along with this charade. If you are a parent why arent you more concerned about the complete lack of ethics this school has shown? Why are you sticking up for a school that is robbing your child's money and future? If you cared about your kid you would want him to go to a school that is accredited with a history of success. I am not doubting anything... there is proof. NO IMED, yet it is listed on CMU's website. Dubious claim to a charter, turns out it is a charted from CIU and has no indication of being able to confer an M.D. If you want your kid to be a doctor then help him/her to gain entrance into a reputable institution. If you want waste money, give to RL. Better yet, give it to me, that way you will know the money is being spent on an actual medical education.
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