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Old 06-04-2007, 05:43 PM
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Firstly, CMU is not unique in this respect. I see that SABA has similar status and so does St. James; there may be more.
St. James is N.V /corporation/, I don’t know about Saba tough but I think is N.V. as well. The difference is that foundation cannot have profit and doesn’t have shareholders or owners, unlike N.V or B.V. This results that after 6 years of operation St. James still rents its main building for $300 per month since the entire profit stays in Chicago.
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St. James is N.V /corporation/, I don’t know about Saba tough but I think is N.V. as well. The difference is that foundation cannot have profit and doesn’t have shareholders or owners, unlike N.V or B.V. This results that after 6 years of operation St. James still rents its main building/looking like a barrack/ for $300 per month since the entire profit stays in Chicago.
is it professional to directly criticise another school, if you're an official of one school?

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It’s not criticizing, its just basic information. Is it unprofessional to say that CMU doesn’t have any graduates? Is it unprofessional to say that other schools are business corporations or rent main school building for $300/month? I don’t think so.
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Old 06-04-2007, 07:57 PM
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St. James is N.V /corporation/, I don’t know about Saba tough but I think is N.V. as well. The difference is that foundation cannot have profit and doesn’t have shareholders or owners, unlike N.V or B.V. This results that after 6 years of operation St. James still rents its main building/looking like a barrack/ for $300 per month since the entire profit stays in Chicago.
Saba's own website describes the school as a 'nonprofit foundation'.
As for St. James, I'm afraid I broke one of my own cardinal rules and passed on something I read on vmd without verifying it first

I'm glad that we agree that there are no profit-leeching shareholders in a nonprofit foundation. That much is fairly obvious.
However, it is still quite disingenuous (or naive) of you to use this legal status in the way that you do (on 4 separate occasions). Foundations may generate a revenue surplus (profit, in plain English). They may pay very generous salaries to their employees (and to their 'consultants'). They are not immune to failure through foolish management and even greed.
Conversely, a 'for profit' corporation may invest wisely, ploughing profits back into the business, keeping its shareholders waiting for a payback until its future is secure and its customers/clients highly satisfied with the product.
I would agree with you that there are examples of Caribbean schools whose shareholders took the money and ran. On the other hand most of the largest and most prestigious schools are run on a commercial basis: they have excellent facilities and broadly satisfied customers.
What matters in both models is the quality of the business plan and management.
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Old 06-04-2007, 09:37 PM
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It’s not criticizing, its just basic information. Is it unprofessional to say that CMU doesn’t have any graduates? Is it unprofessional to say that other schools are business corporations or rent main school building for $300/month? I don’t think so.
but what you put in your OP was that it resembled 'barracks'. this is your opinion - and one that I took to be negative.

- I've seen pics of it - and while it ain't as pretty as some - its also quite adequate to teach class in. The class rooms at CMU seem quite similarly equipped in fact.

I find it a bit abhorrent that one school official is targetting another SPECIFIC school and using them as an inferior example - quoting your opinion of the other school's appearance.

the difference between what you're doing and what other people in this thread have done is that you, sir, are an official representative of CMU. Your opinion will hold sway with your students - and your opinion represents the image of the school as a whole.

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i got news for you; med schools are for profit in the us. the issue isnt for profit or not. its quality and do they give you what they promise or not.
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who cares what the real reason the school was established, as an official you dont go on a public forum and say that another school is bad. you go on here and and say that the school was established because you want to help the medical field........(fill in the rest with your mission statement)

the lies i am referring to are the plagiarism, and the documents that people have asked you to produce regarding the schools ability to issue degrees.

all i am saying is that CMU needs to do the right thing and establish their image.

also, are you an employee of the school? or is the school a client of yours? please disclose your full ties to the school.

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