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    Hi

    I am currently trying to find out as much information as I can with regards to Plovdiv university. Being from the UK I don't know a whole lot about the school, things such as the general quality of the teaching and knowledge of lecturers, etc. I have heard people saying that standards can be a lower when compared with the UK and if coming back to practice in the UK you will be extremely disadvantaged.
    If I decide to go the decision will be huge for me as I'm sure it will be for a lot of people, so any information and if there are any current students at Plovdiv who could comment that will be great.

    Thanks.

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    I am an MU-Sofia grad, not MU-Plovdiv, but here are a few thoughts...

    Quality of training in Bulgaria -- at any medical university there -- varies wildly, from excellent to abysmal... sometimes within the same day. This is especially true within the English programs. The education you obtain will rest largely (read: "almost exclusively") on how much extra work you are willing to put in outside of the amount required to graduate. If you are willing to seek out good professors and clinicians for assistance, spend extra time in clinics during the evening and on weekends, and self-study for challenging board examinations (PLAB, USMLE, MCCEE) in addition to your exams at school, then you can do all right. It is a huge (freaking huge) administrative headache, and there are certainly better options within the EU, but it can be a path to your goal. However, and I mean this very seriously, if you are only going to go along with the lowest common denominator, then I would recommend doing something else with your time.

    On the plus side, it is not terribly expensive, the Stazh (Стаж) internship portion of 6th year is counted by GMC as an equivalent for FY1 in the UK, and Bulgaria is a fascinating place. Still, I generally do not recommend medical school in Bulgaria unless someone has links to the country and can enter the Bulgarian language program... and even then it is with considerable question marks. You can read up on the VMD posts about MU-Sofia and probably 90% of it will carry over to any other medical school in Bulgaria, including Plovdiv.

    Hope that helps a bit. Good luck, wherever you go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    I am an MU-Sofia grad, not MU-Plovdiv, but here are a few thoughts...

    Quality of training in Bulgaria -- at any medical university there -- varies wildly, from excellent to abysmal... sometimes within the same day. This is especially true within the English programs. The education you obtain will rest largely (read: "almost exclusively") on how much extra work you are willing to put in outside of the amount required to graduate. If you are willing to seek out good professors and clinicians for assistance, spend extra time in clinics during the evening and on weekends, and self-study for challenging board examinations (PLAB, USMLE, MCCEE) in addition to your exams at school, then you can do all right. It is a huge (freaking huge) administrative headache, and there are certainly better options within the EU, but it can be a path to your goal. However, and I mean this very seriously, if you are only going to go along with the lowest common denominator, then I would recommend doing something else with your time.

    On the plus side, it is not terribly expensive, the Stazh (Стаж) internship portion of 6th year is counted by GMC as an equivalent for FY1 in the UK, and Bulgaria is a fascinating place. Still, I generally do not recommend medical school in Bulgaria unless someone has links to the country and can enter the Bulgarian language program... and even then it is with considerable question marks. You can read up on the VMD posts about MU-Sofia and probably 90% of it will carry over to any other medical school in Bulgaria, including Plovdiv.

    Hope that helps a bit. Good luck, wherever you go!
    Thanks for your advice. Honestly I'm not sure what to do, after all of my rejections from the UK it felt great to have an offer even though it was abroad. However I am looking around at some other universities and I'm definitely warming to the idea of studying abroad more so now.

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    If you really want it, and are willing to work hard overseas to make it happen, then a foreign school can get you there. If you have decent academic credentials, you might apply to Jagiellonian, Gdansk, or Warsaw in Poland. They are still E-EU, but Jag and Gdansk definitely seem better organized than anything you will find in the Balkans. Of course, Charles First (Czech Republic) and Semmelweis (Hungary) are pretty well-regarded, albeit sometimes notoriously rough on foreign students. Zagreb and Split (Croatia) are also options. However, first and foremost you must remember that all of these are E-EU programs, and you absolutely will deal with headaches and administrative annoyances. There is really no way around that.

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    Thanks for your advice I appreciate it. Looks like a majority of the other universities require the IMAT test which is something I'll have to look at doing.

    Does anybody else have any experiences of Plovdiv Medical university who can share any insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summers4264 View Post
    Thanks for your advice I appreciate it. Looks like a majority of the other universities require the IMAT test which is something I'll have to look at doing.

    Does anybody else have any experiences of Plovdiv Medical university who can share any insight.
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    What are the minimum grades to study there?

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    I honestly do not think that there are any. The question is whether or not you are willing and able to put in the effort to become a functioning and competent physician out of the foreign program there. Most, frankly, are not. They still go, but the results are decidedly mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    I am an MU-Sofia grad, not MU-Plovdiv, but here are a few thoughts...

    Quality of training in Bulgaria -- at any medical university there -- varies wildly, from excellent to abysmal... sometimes within the same day. This is especially true within the English programs. The education you obtain will rest largely (read: "almost exclusively") on how much extra work you are willing to put in outside of the amount required to graduate. If you are willing to seek out good professors and clinicians for assistance, spend extra time in clinics during the evening and on weekends, and self-study for challenging board examinations (PLAB, USMLE, MCCEE) in addition to your exams at school, then you can do all right. It is a huge (freaking huge) administrative headache, and there are certainly better options within the EU, but it can be a path to your goal. However, and I mean this very seriously, if you are only going to go along with the lowest common denominator, then I would recommend doing something else with your time.

    On the plus side, it is not terribly expensive, the Stazh (Стаж) internship portion of 6th year is counted by GMC as an equivalent for FY1 in the UK, and Bulgaria is a fascinating place. Still, I generally do not recommend medical school in Bulgaria unless someone has links to the country and can enter the Bulgarian language program... and even then it is with considerable question marks. You can read up on the VMD posts about MU-Sofia and probably 90% of it will carry over to any other medical school in Bulgaria, including Plovdiv.

    Hope that helps a bit. Good luck, wherever you go!

    Hello,

    What year did you graduate? Was the teaching at the school not good enough for you to pass? If you are a UK citizen you do not have to take the PLAB test. What other administrative headaches did you encounter?

    Thanks

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    I graduated two-plus years ago and am now a second-year resident at a university program in Switzerland.

    The teaching, as I mentioned above, fluctuates wildly from very good to utterly horrible, with far (FAR) too much of it being substandard. I have posted this many times, but it is NOT a matter of simply passing. People "pass" there who honestly know next-to-nothing. Passing means precious freaking little. Rather, it is a matter of gaining the knowledge required to function in the real world as a physician, and believe you me, that is another thing entirely. Only people who are willing to put in a hell of a lot more effort and time than that which is required to "pass" will reach that level. It is hard work, and it is regularly made significantly harder than it has to be.

    Frankly, I am now a resident and cannot spend a lot of time regurgitating the administrative nightmare that was my Bulgarian educational experience. I have posted it elsewhere in this forum more than once. Suffice it to say that if you come from a reasonably organized Western nation, the place will make you bloody crazy. It just freaking will. And it will be infinitely worse if you care about your education and are trying to become a decent doc after you graduate. Feel free to look up the previous posts if you need more specific details. There are plenty out there.

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